Why I'm Productive in Clojure

Post by agumonkey » Wed, Jul 23, 2014, 3:17 PM UTC

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Could you tell us more about what you ended up missing from Python ? is it syntax ? concepts ? libraries ?

It's nothing I miss, it's just that I couldn't keep in my head all the standard way to do things in Clojure/CL. I kept wondering "oh, how do I check if an element is a member of a list in Clojure, again?", or "ok, so I need to put this Sexpr out of this parenthesis, so with paredit I need to do C-right or C-left?", etc. I plan to give Clojure and CL another shot in the future, but for now I am just lack of proficienc…

Post by adambard » Wed, Jul 23, 2014, 3:21 PM UTC

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Well, people do use these tools, but honestly, do you really want a language with multiple build tools / package managers? The java world is a mess here. Leiningen is pretty great, no need to fragment the community. As far as editors go, I'm perplexed. You can use nearly any editor, why do you perceive the need to use one of these 2?

> Well, people do use these tools, but honestly, do you really want a language with multiple build tools / package managers? I want multiple workflows . A single build tool can accommodate that, but Leiningen can't/doesn't. For example, let's say I have a compiler called mycc. I can build something like this: mycc main.c -o main I might then combine it with an file watcher utility like entr find . -name '*.c' | entr…

Post by djtriptych » Wed, Jul 23, 2014, 3:41 PM UTC

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> What matters to me in a language is whether I can use it without thinking about it. I love this statement. It reminds me of the what it feels to be good at mathematics (not my words): "Your intuitive thinking about a problem is productive and usefully structured, wasting little time on being aimlessly puzzled." from http://www.quora.com/Mathematics/What-is-it-like-to-understa... The author also says more about math…

> Any language that lets you spend your brainpower on the essence of the problem is a tremendous advantage and joy. This unlocks creativity and productivity. For some reason the only language that let me reach this level is Python. I tried Clojure and Common Lisp, but for some reason I could never be as efficient as I wanted with them, which I think is a shame because in some ways I think the Lisps are superior to Py…

Post by Dewie » Wed, Jul 23, 2014, 4:02 PM UTC

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Well, people do use these tools, but honestly, do you really want a language with multiple build tools / package managers? The java world is a mess here. Leiningen is pretty great, no need to fragment the community. As far as editors go, I'm perplexed. You can use nearly any editor, why do you perceive the need to use one of these 2?

Completely agree with leiningen, it's not an opinionated choice, just what I've seen with maven seems a huge hassle. In terms of editors I've hit this a bit, attempting to follow tutorials or the like is frequently met with 'step n: install the clojure plugin for Emacs', then 'eval with ' forever after. The Om tutorials iirc are written as tutorials through Light Table (which seems like a great editor). Having to sep…

Post by buerkle » Wed, Jul 23, 2014, 4:15 PM UTC

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Completely agree with leiningen, it's not an opinionated choice, just what I've seen with maven seems a huge hassle. In terms of editors I've hit this a bit, attempting to follow tutorials or the like is frequently met with 'step n: install the clojure plugin for Emacs', then 'eval with ' forever after. The Om tutorials iirc are written as tutorials through Light Table (which seems like a great editor). Having to sep…

> The Om tutorials iirc are written as tutorials through Light Table What is Om? I can't seem to google it.