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Color Emoji in Windows 8.1 – The Future of Color Fonts?

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Re: Color Emoji in Windows 8.1 – The Future of Color Fonts?

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Post by snogglethorpe »

hrktb wrote: post #40
snogglethorpe wrote: post #35

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On all the Japanese devices I've used, emoji input is a separate "keyboard" (or rather a different mode in the standard keyboard). Some Japanese keyboards will sometimes suggest emoji during input conversion (the normal kana->kanji step), but it's a somewhat haphazard way of inputting them, and it's often easier just use the dedicated emoji input. The reason seems fairly clear to me: many emoji encode nuances that do…

There is a separate emoji panel, but in my experience you tend to remember the name of the emoji used the most, and in 10-key mode it's pretty fast to type a 2 or 3 kana word. About the android phones, I was a bit surprised by the low quality of Japanese support. But I didn't try the ATOK keyboard nor the input available on Sony phones for instance, only the Google IME. To Apple's credit, they've been doing IME on th…

The Japanese android vendor keyboards do seem to be generally much more polished than google's effort, although the latter is ok for basic Japanese input.

The main issue with conversion-based emoji seems to be discoverability.... Besides those reflecting basic concepts, there are tons of odd or intricate emoji that you'd never even imagine existed unless you saw them first; even once you know they exist, figuring out what input maps to them is at best a crap shoot (I've never found any way of getting the input system to tell you)....

Re: Color Emoji in Windows 8.1 – The Future of Color Fonts?

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Post by wyager »

aneisf wrote: post #18
pling wrote: post #11

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Ok thanks. That's well under my age so I understand. Does it replace "TXT SPK" which I'm still too old to use and find terribly annoying? (I'm sounding like a right grumpy old git here)

That sort of hyper-abbreviated writing has largely disappeared thanks to spell-check, predictive autocomplete, and so forth. Emoji can certainly stand in for text, and I see plenty of comments and text messages that consist primarily of emoji. But just as often they will accompany text to add personality or mood the way ASCII smilies or textual kaomoji always have on bulletin boards.

>That sort of hyper-abbreviated writing has largely disappeared thanks to spell-check, predictive autocomplete, and so forth

Now that I think about it, you're completely write. It's been years since I've seen text-speak.

Re: Color Emoji in Windows 8.1 – The Future of Color Fonts?

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Post by batiudrami »

pling wrote: post #5

These look really cool as does the technology, but I don't think I've ever used Emoji past a couple of ASCII smilies. My Android handset seems to have them but I don't use them and neither does anyone else I know. Is this a cultural thing I'm missing?

They're used a bit differently to traditional emoticons - while emoticons are used to convey tone since text can be ambiguous, emojis tend to add 'flavour' to some text - things like icons of food, drinks, animals etc - so they generally have very little purpose, but make a message more fun.

Re: Color Emoji in Windows 8.1 – The Future of Color Fonts?

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Post by BrandonLive »

pling wrote: post #5

These look really cool as does the technology, but I don't think I've ever used Emoji past a couple of ASCII smilies. My Android handset seems to have them but I don't use them and neither does anyone else I know. Is this a cultural thing I'm missing?

I use them in my apps. Very useful for many situations, and automatically able to handle different scale factors, high contrast modes, etc. Microsoft also has a bunch of useful glyphs in their Segoe UI Symbol font, for the same purpose.

Re: Color Emoji in Windows 8.1 – The Future of Color Fonts?

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Post by shanselman »

ranran876 wrote: post #19
Synaesthesia wrote: post #14

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I thought so too, until I started using them in my messages to my friends and girlfriend. Now I find them an integral part of my communications. 😄

Oh the irony. Your emoji comes out as a blank square for me (Windows 7 - Opera 12)

Looks good here, IE11 on Windows 8.1

Re: Color Emoji in Windows 8.1 – The Future of Color Fonts?

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Post by Aeolus98 »

wyager wrote: post #42
aneisf wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sort of hyper-abbreviated writing has largely disappeared thanks to spell-check, predictive autocomplete, and so forth. Emoji can certainly stand in for text, and I see plenty of comments and text messages that consist primarily of emoji. But just as often they will accompany text to add personality or mood the way ASCII smilies or textual kaomoji always have on bulletin boards.

>That sort of hyper-abbreviated writing has largely disappeared thanks to spell-check, predictive autocomplete, and so forth Now that I think about it, you're completely write. It's been years since I've seen text-speak.

I think right autocompleted to write for you there.

Re: Color Emoji in Windows 8.1 – The Future of Color Fonts?

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Post by aninhumer »

Guvante wrote: post #6
pling wrote: post #5

These look really cool as does the technology, but I don't think I've ever used Emoji past a couple of ASCII smilies. My Android handset seems to have them but I don't use them and neither does anyone else I know. Is this a cultural thing I'm missing?

Yes, from what stories are saying. It may also be in part due to the complexities of asian languages. (Note that this latter part is complete conjecture)

I think more specifically, East Asian languages are based on symbolic characters already, so using emoji is kind of like using a bunch of new characters, instead of being a completely unfamiliar concept.

As someone else mentioned, the two layer input systems used by these languages also make inserting an emoji pretty much the same as typing any other word.

Re: Color Emoji in Windows 8.1 – The Future of Color Fonts?

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Post by raphman »

ranran876 wrote: post #19
Synaesthesia wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought so too, until I started using them in my messages to my friends and girlfriend. Now I find them an integral part of my communications. 😄

Oh the irony. Your emoji comes out as a blank square for me (Windows 7 - Opera 12)

Opera 12 on Debian GNU/Linux shows it fine

Re: Color Emoji in Windows 8.1 – The Future of Color Fonts?

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Post by weavie »

aneisf wrote: post #8
pling wrote: post #5

These look really cool as does the technology, but I don't think I've ever used Emoji past a couple of ASCII smilies. My Android handset seems to have them but I don't use them and neither does anyone else I know. Is this a cultural thing I'm missing?

Yeah, they're wildly popular with just about everyone I know 25 and under, especially on sites like Instagram. There's even been a music video created from them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmlJveN9IkI

Hmm. 40 year here who really likes using them. I find over instant messaging, which we use a lot at work, when you are just typing text a lot of the real meaning behind what you are saying is lost.

Compare the following mentioned during a code review:

Your code is crap Your code is crap :-)

The first is taken seriously, the second is more of a sarcastic joke. The meaning conveyed is even stronger when the picture is a comical and brightly coloured smiley face rather than an ascii smile.

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