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We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

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Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#41

I clicked the Create a list text on your homepage instinctively. That's how people use the web. It should be hyperlinked. I like the idea of making lists because it speaks to my passion for process. I want to be able to bookmark lists as well as monetize and own my content. If I can run my own ads on the site, then I'm less scared of creating original content through that venue. Your terms of use sucks and is not fav…

Yup, I clicked that green 'Create a list area' at the top several times.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#42
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Would also love to know where the money went specifically. Seems insane (also do you need another website built for 200k?)

Already answered this, but I'll comment because you bothered to. Sure :) We're basicly two founders that have done most of the design and project management of the site. In addition, we've outsourced some design and all of the programming to Ukraine, including the mobile version. The outsourced development itself runs into the 100k's over the stretch of 1.5 years, and in addition, we've done some marketing (40-50k) a…

It looks like you're a Norwegian company? Surely Norway has programmers who can handle this at equal or surpassing quality for less money? What was your rationale for outsourcing to begin with?

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#43

The content and audience are I suspect far more important than what your site does at this stage, and you should narrow the scope on both of those. You have what looks like a serviceable site to produce lists (not really a complex challenge). I'm not sure why you think your site sucks? I'm sure you'll get some feedback on styling, content etc (it's not really to my taste, but hey, it's not terrible either), but if yo…

You mention buzzfeed, but buzzfeed is basically just lists of stupid memes, and they have a lot of content and a lot of users.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#44
post #38

It lacks the touch of a good designer. Everything seems slightly off... from colors, to fonts, to text placements, to 20 other small touches. It all adds up to an amateurish feel. Some examples: 1. The colors. Ugh. 2. The formatting of the content boxes should be more consistent. All pictures should go to the edge and have the same height. Logos should have padding, not stretch to the edge (e.g. YouTube). Even once t…

I doubt that any of this will move the needle in a meaningful way for this site.

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Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#45

Why the self-deprecating title? You could've said "Show HN: List blogging with Listnerd". This makes me wonder how you spent $200k and why you're so unhappy with the result.

Letting people know that you're absolutely OK with them taking a huge dump on your work is sometimes a good way to invite cogent criticism, when you don't have to defend your credibility for social reasons.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#46

Hey! I just want to say, this is awesome and I wish you the best of luck. I am a Developer and I noticed a few really concerning things in your CSS: 1. I believe you're committing the greatest CSS Sin: Emulating the DOM structure using nesting. Here is one example: "#site-header.newheader nav>ul>li>a.buttonGreen" That CSS Selector should not exist like that. You shouldn't be using ids (first) and second this should b…

I believe you're committing the greatest CSS Sin: Emulating the DOM structure using nesting. Here is one example: "#site-header.newheader nav>ul>li>a.buttonGreen" ... If you'd like more advice on how to fix this I have written many talks. I didn't know this was an issue until recently and now I'm slowly fixing it on my main project. I'd love your additional advice/pointers!

Of course! The idea behind using preprocessors is helping you write CSS more easily. The goal is not to write obfuscated CSS, but rather to write CSS well! What it really enables (imo) is to think of styling in an Object Oriented way. Whenever you're about to write a block of Sass think "What is this thing?". The answer is almost never a "green button" but rather "getting started button". Or something like that. It also helps you to think in terms of inheritance:

The "getting started button" and "buy button" are both interaction buttons. (Similar buttons, but one is green and the other is yellow).

In Sass you represent that this way: 1. Placeholder %interaction-button class where you outline the fact that it has a border radius, color, and any other shared styling. 2. A button maker mixin where you put the colors that need to be changed, and any other flags (like has_sub_text: true for the unbold text) and then @extend's the placeholder above. 3. The classes ".buy-button {}" which include the mixin you made.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#47
post #42
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Already answered this, but I'll comment because you bothered to. Sure :) We're basicly two founders that have done most of the design and project management of the site. In addition, we've outsourced some design and all of the programming to Ukraine, including the mobile version. The outsourced development itself runs into the 100k's over the stretch of 1.5 years, and in addition, we've done some marketing (40-50k) a…

It looks like you're a Norwegian company? Surely Norway has programmers who can handle this at equal or surpassing quality for less money? What was your rationale for outsourcing to begin with?

In Norway a dev starts at $100k a year; or you can pay roughly $250 an hour for freelancers. Labour laws in Norway are very strict, which means hiring someone is a big step. When we first started the project we didn't really foresee how big of a task it would end up as, so we went with outsourcing. If I had to do it again, I probably would have hired one in-house dev.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#49
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Just curious - what was your goal/perceived business opportunity with the site and idea? Advertising revenue or something else?

Well, our last really successful startup was called Biip.no. It was a social networking site very much like Facebook, only for Norwegian teenagers. We built a lot of traction, eventually grossing 10% of Norway's population as members, with a annual revenue of 3m USD - mostly from advertising and mobile payments. Then we had an exit of $12m USD. We started in the social media space pretty early (2004/2005), so we alwa…

Agree on the last sentence (although it might be better to just say eCommerce and drop the "social") so I figured I would comment.

The site definitely reminds me of PG advice about made up startup ideas not solving an actual problem. Social networking sites helped users connect with their friends online easily. Not sure as a user why I should signup to your site and start building lists of knowledge unless I am getting something (business, revenue cut, etc).

You might look at instructables. People want to show off the things they build so they create tutorials about it. Pretty good community. There's probably room to sell the supplies in an e-commerce store and maybe give the authors a cut of the revenue. Seems much less forced than "build a list and share it with your friends!"

My own shot at this is in Halloween/Fall/Events. I envisioned some sort of way to find events, meet people and get the knowledge/stuff you need to attend. We are still in Facebook's "adding the course catalogs" stage though. Add dot com to my username and then let your imagination really run. We've spent around 10K but have put in a lot of sweat equity.

If social eCommerce becomes huge, I think it will transform Halloween costume sales online and we will be better positioned than a traditional costume shop. Can you say the same about listnerd? If no, then you need to pick a different area to start building a community.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#50
post #30

I'll take a different tilt: Your biggest problem is that you have 4 people listed on your team page yet there are two with the title 'Project Manager'. From what I can tell from playing with the site, it just lets you build 'top 10' style lists and allows people to vote/comment on them. Frankly, this is a weekend project for a good developer or for a better outcome, a good developer/designer pair. What exactly are th…

Could not agree more, I believe the site actually shows signs of top-heavy product design.
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