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Re: Minimal Wikipedia redesign concept

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I hope I'm not hijacking this thread in any way by posting a link to my Wikipedia redesign attempt. It's not actual code - just a visual mock-up. I posted it a while ago to Hacker News but would love to hear feedback http://www.interfacesketch.com/wikipedia/

This is by far better approach yes (and as you say on your page, really its all just a bit of tweaking, not a technical redesign); Wikipedia's content is, IMHO, way too rich to thrive with the minimalist/huge-blog-font combo in OP's link.

Re: Minimal Wikipedia redesign concept

#42
A copy of an email I sent to the designer, “A few notes about your Wikipedia redesign”:

> … custom formatting on some wikipedia pages might not look right. If you see anything like that, let me know.

The formatting of highlighted code examples is not right. Sometimes there is extra indentation at the beginning, and the syntax highlighting is always missing. For example, compare [your Ruby (programming language) – examples](http://wikipedia.moesalih.com/Ruby_%28programming_language%2...) to [Wikipedia’s Ruby (programming language) – examples](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_%28programming_language%29...). Also, the code example `puts"Give me a number"` is missing a space compared to Wikipedia’s version.

There is too big a difference between the font sizes of normal text and of code blocks. In the site, code blocks are at a readable font size while main text is overly big, and when I zoom out to 80% to make the main text more comfortable, code block text is now too small. Picture captions and infoboxes also have this problem, to a lesser extent.

On [the about page](http://wikipedia.moesalih.com/?about), “email me” should be a link to “mailto:moe.salih@gmail.com”, so we don’t have to go to your personal website and find the link in the footer.

Re: Minimal Wikipedia redesign concept

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From the "about" page[0]: But it deserves a better and more delightful design. This is my vision of how the reading experience should be like. Better typography, removed side bar, reduced clutter, improved contrast and clarity, and more open space. By removing these useful elements, it's actually made the general experience of a web site worse. These things are needed in one form or another to make a website usable a…

As with every other Wikipedia redesign proposal, linking to J. Thomas's Wikipedia Redesign post is necessary: http://jgthms.com/wikipedia-redesign.html

Nice. This should be a required reading for every "vision"-happy hipster designer out there:

It works for me, in my context, on my screen, it should be fine, right? Well, that's not designing. That's cheating. You're skewing the content's use, perverting its value.

This point is worth repeating: design without a purpose is not design; it's onanism. Anyone can go spend a weekend playing with photoshop for hours to give free rein to their own "vision" and aesthetic prejudices, given enough familiarity with the tool --in a way, not too different from shopping or 'pimping' a car or what not. But an altogether different challenge is to design for users, the vast majority of whom one will likely never even meet. And that requires at the very least some empathy for the poor victims stuck with one's shitty and arbitrary design choices long after one has moved on check in hand --like disabling zoom, hello!?!??.

So when the OP glibly says in their manifesto[1]:

"I love Wikipedia. It's awesome. But it deserves a better and more delightful design. This is my vision of how the reading experience should be like. Better typography, removed side bar, reduced clutter, improved contrast and clarity, and more open space."

I would respond:

1. Ok, but try first put yourself in the shoes the hundreds of millions of users who rely on wikipedia every day and their whole spectrum of use cases, environments and needs; then

2. try locate the totality of your own experience within that spectrum; and then

3. ask yourself to what extent your prior notions of delight, clarity, typographic beauty, etc might be highly conditioned by the peculiarities of your own experience and environment; and

4. to what extent such acquired "good design" intuitions are really the kind of self-evident, plausibly generalizable ground truths about usability and human interaction you feel it's worth pontificating about.

[1] http://wikipedia.moesalih.com/?about

Re: Minimal Wikipedia redesign concept

#45

I hope I'm not hijacking this thread in any way by posting a link to my Wikipedia redesign attempt. It's not actual code - just a visual mock-up. I posted it a while ago to Hacker News but would love to hear feedback http://www.interfacesketch.com/wikipedia/

Wow. I know it's a purely personal taste thing, but I think your redesign is leagues ahead of OP's proposal. Your design keeps the informative, interconnected aspect of Wikipedia's design and then cleans it up slightly and makes it more readable, but does so in a way that won't alienate the average user.

I might actually see if I can find the time to code up a preview of your design and see how it handles 'in the wild', as such.

Re: Minimal Wikipedia redesign concept

#46
I do like clean minimalism, but I'm not sure it works on a site like Wikipedia. The NYTimes recent redesign was a pretty good meld of minimalism around the article but retaining functionality.

I fear that your design kind of strips away a whole ton of functionality and with something like Wikipedia functionality is infinitely more important than design.

Kudos on actually coding up a completely working live preview though. That's not something I see too often with these kinds of proposals.

Re: Minimal Wikipedia redesign concept

#48

I hope I'm not hijacking this thread in any way by posting a link to my Wikipedia redesign attempt. It's not actual code - just a visual mock-up. I posted it a while ago to Hacker News but would love to hear feedback http://www.interfacesketch.com/wikipedia/

This is by far better approach yes (and as you say on your page, really its all just a bit of tweaking, not a technical redesign); Wikipedia's content is, IMHO, way too rich to thrive with the minimalist/huge-blog-font combo in OP's link.

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Re: Minimal Wikipedia redesign concept

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There are still some rough edges, but definitely one of the best redesigns I have seen.

+ large, beautiful readable fonts

+ Search bar is a search bar and easy to find

+ unnecessary borders removed

- Could use a little bit more branding

- No change-language feature

- Zoom disabled on mobile devices

- Some elements needs size tuning

Re: Minimal Wikipedia redesign concept

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post #45

I hope I'm not hijacking this thread in any way by posting a link to my Wikipedia redesign attempt. It's not actual code - just a visual mock-up. I posted it a while ago to Hacker News but would love to hear feedback http://www.interfacesketch.com/wikipedia/

Wow. I know it's a purely personal taste thing, but I think your redesign is leagues ahead of OP's proposal. Your design keeps the informative, interconnected aspect of Wikipedia's design and then cleans it up slightly and makes it more readable, but does so in a way that won't alienate the average user. I might actually see if I can find the time to code up a preview of your design and see how it handles 'in the wil…

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