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Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Challenge me. Select a dataset send me the training data and I'll send you my results so you can verify it... I don't mind being tested.

What's your score on the Netflix Prize quiz?

Can't really get you a score that you'll be able to trust without submitting a result set, can't submit a result set without agreeing to publicize my algorithm... Pick a different test. One where you can do the verification without a 3rd party that requires me to relinquish my trade secret.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Most AI application aren't realtime (although some of them in the chemical industry for example are ). A doctor doesn't care if his cancer diagnosis takes another 20 milliseconds so long as its a bit more accurate. And a bank trying to analyze if a credit card transaction is fraud or not doesn't care about the short delays either.

> And a bank trying to analyze if a credit card transaction is fraud or not doesn't care about the short delays either. Oh yes, they do. That I do know.

even if its in the milliseconds range?

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Applying the algorithm to financial markets would be highly latency-sensitive, though. I'm not sure I buy the web service idea, either: wouldn't typical applications require a lot of input data (training set + test set) in order to be effective? Uploading all that data could be annoying, compared with just running the algorithm locally at the customer's site.

Training always takes a ton of time, even more so with my algorithm which is a bit more complex. But training is usually only done once and afterwards results can be generated very quickly.

I wasn't talking about training time -- I was talking about data set size. Frequently uploading a few GB of data over the public Net to do effective training is going to be an annoyance. You may also need to perform the training multiple times, especially if your algorithm takes any parameters.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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What's your score on the Netflix Prize quiz?

Can't really get you a score that you'll be able to trust without submitting a result set, can't submit a result set without agreeing to publicize my algorithm... Pick a different test. One where you can do the verification without a 3rd party that requires me to relinquish my trade secret.

That's not true. You can submit your results and then refuse to release your algorithm, disqualifying you from the competition.

"Upon qualifying, as described above, the Participant is required to submit within one (1) week for judging a description of their algorithm along with all source code. The Participant warrants that the source code is either fully or substantially developed and functions or will function as represented by the description. Failure to deliver both the description and source code within one (1) week will disqualify that entry and additional qualifying entries will be considered."

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Training always takes a ton of time, even more so with my algorithm which is a bit more complex. But training is usually only done once and afterwards results can be generated very quickly.

I wasn't talking about training time -- I was talking about data set size. Frequently uploading a few GB of data over the public Net to do effective training is going to be an annoyance. You may also need to perform the training multiple times, especially if your algorithm takes any parameters.

It does take a few parameters but there is no reason why the same dataset would have to be uploaded every time you tweak a parameter, I can just store it and let you play with it until you are satisfied with the results. And again training isn't done that frequently usually.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Can't really get you a score that you'll be able to trust without submitting a result set, can't submit a result set without agreeing to publicize my algorithm... Pick a different test. One where you can do the verification without a 3rd party that requires me to relinquish my trade secret.

That's not true. You can submit your results and then refuse to release your algorithm, disqualifying you from the competition. "Upon qualifying, as described above, the Participant is required to submit within one (1) week for judging a description of their algorithm along with all source code. The Participant warrants that the source code is either fully or substantially developed and functions or will function as…

Ok missed that part in the contract... it was a bit long and in legalese. I'll tinker with it to fit it to the problem (different algorithm category, mine is best fitted for classification problems and the test is a clustering problem. The dataset needs to be manipulated a bit first for it to work )
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