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Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by tenfingers » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 1:50 PM UTC

drglitch wrote: post #32

hobofan wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my personal experience a pure Wacom tablet always beats a tablet + stylus combo. In past 5(?) years since I've bought a Wacom Bamboo, none of the tablets I tried even came close, and I tried most of them, including the ones with a wacom stylus. The problem all of them have, is that the surface is far to slippery and only the best I've tried came close in precision. The main downside with a Wacom is that you don't…

Having been using Graphires (now called Intuous Pro?) for better half of past decade, there is no going back once you've tried a screen + stylus combo. Wacom also makes one - the Cintiq, although it was ridiculously expensive until recently. It may be subjective, but the advantage of drawing directly on screen is tremendous - it truly feels like paper, as opposed of drawing "blind" while looking up at a screen. I wen…

I did try briefly the Cintiq. Did you notice some parallax effect?

After using for years with separate tablet/screen, I cannot say I "dislike" the combination. It allows you to draw upright, which is very comfortable after you get used to it. I've been using drawing desks for years, and I would say it's more comfortable than using a tilted plane.

It's also weird (in a positive way) how you can fully see the effect of the stroke on the screen, which are normally hidden by the hand/pen.

That being said, I definitely prefer "feedback" if I'm writing, for instance, so I can relate to your sentiment even though I couldn't try a cintiq professionally yet.

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by dsplatonov » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 1:56 PM UTC

lgmspb wrote: post #35

dsplatonov wrote: post #23

i wish i have such devices integrated with sketch

I'm wondering why sketch is not yet acquired by Adobe...

I'm wondering why Adobe is not yet acquired by Adobe - this is a real question

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by coldtea » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 2:10 PM UTC

jaredmcateer wrote: post #36

coldtea wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, this guys managed: http://procreate.si/ (Scroll down to the Gallery).

This guy managed to do great art in MS Paint[1] but it seems they are making great art despite their tool and probably not going to be a good tool for the mainstream professional. [1] http://www.themarysue.com/ms-paint-art/

Well, it's not like Procreate is like MS Paint in this regard. It's an extremely fast and capable painting and compositing engine. And those are just the gallery highlights on their marketing pages.

There are Flickr etc groups with sample images from simple users, and the do quite impressive work. In fact several professional illustrators use it.

So it's not like one guy's MS Paint novelty act.

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by digitalengineer » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 2:58 PM UTC

hobofan wrote: post #30

prawn wrote: post #7

Adobe's Ink and Slide page is here: https://www.adobe.com/products/ink-and-slide.html Coincidental timing as I have been looking at getting a stylus or Wacom tablet for sketching layouts and quick notes while at my desk. My Jot Pro with Penultimate has been a bit average, unfortunately. At that With the pen and touch line, you're anchored or near your laptop/screen and sketching is detached from the "ink" on screen.…

In my personal experience a pure Wacom tablet always beats a tablet + stylus combo. In past 5(?) years since I've bought a Wacom Bamboo, none of the tablets I tried even came close, and I tried most of them, including the ones with a wacom stylus. The problem all of them have, is that the surface is far to slippery and only the best I've tried came close in precision. The main downside with a Wacom is that you don't…

I use my Wacom Bamboo al day. Have a look at http://www.smudgeguard.com/ This helps for both Wacom users as well as 'on-screen drawing' and even on iPad drawing.

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by thisjepisje » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 3:03 PM UTC

Would be great if it worked with Wacom tablets.

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by phloxicon » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 3:34 PM UTC

moistgorilla wrote: post #13

prawn wrote: post #7

Adobe's Ink and Slide page is here: https://www.adobe.com/products/ink-and-slide.html Coincidental timing as I have been looking at getting a stylus or Wacom tablet for sketching layouts and quick notes while at my desk. My Jot Pro with Penultimate has been a bit average, unfortunately. At that With the pen and touch line, you're anchored or near your laptop/screen and sketching is detached from the "ink" on screen.…

It's more then 250 dollars but I love my galaxy note 10.1 2014 edition. Got it refurbished in a groupon buy for about 350 and it works perfectly. The digitizer is wacom and the display is amazing.

I have the 12.2 edition which costs way more than the price range of the OP but it's such a fantastic experience. I use it for everything but coding. I tried a Wacom pad and pen with my desktop but I really disliked it. I much prefer seeing what I write and myself writing it at the same time. My brain didn't like the disconnect of looking at a monitor while drawing on a pad. It made my handwriting much worse.

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by egypturnash » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 4:24 PM UTC

“When a musician plays, if they have to constantly look through dropdown menus to find the next chord, the music would not be very good. It’s farfetched and maybe not possible, but we’d love for, some day, artists to play Photoshop, to stay in flow, to be expressive without interruption.”

I've been using Illustrator for a decade. I've fiddled with the key commands to make the tools I like to use a quick key press away. I've recorded macros and assigned keystrokes to them (and am currently swearing a lot because a recent update broke some of them). I've written little scripts.

And yeah, all this helps the flow. I work a lot faster then I did when I was first using AI.

I have been thinking about this lately, and want to survey my artist friends to see how many of them have also extensively customized the interface of their favorite art tools. I have an intuition that it's one of the signs of being a pro: you've explored enough of the deep set of tools within a modern art program that you can say "this is an important part of my process" and make it more accessible.

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by egypturnash » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 4:36 PM UTC

drglitch wrote: post #32

hobofan wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my personal experience a pure Wacom tablet always beats a tablet + stylus combo. In past 5(?) years since I've bought a Wacom Bamboo, none of the tablets I tried even came close, and I tried most of them, including the ones with a wacom stylus. The problem all of them have, is that the surface is far to slippery and only the best I've tried came close in precision. The main downside with a Wacom is that you don't…

Having been using Graphires (now called Intuous Pro?) for better half of past decade, there is no going back once you've tried a screen + stylus combo. Wacom also makes one - the Cintiq, although it was ridiculously expensive until recently. It may be subjective, but the advantage of drawing directly on screen is tremendous - it truly feels like paper, as opposed of drawing "blind" while looking up at a screen. I wen…

Pro artist here.

I find that there's a pretty big split between people who really love the Cintiq and its ilk, and people who would vastly prefer to draw on a separate tablet. I'm in the latter camp: the lag is more perceptible when my hand is right there, plus slight inaccuracies in location really throw me off, and the real dealbreaker is that I'm a righty, and my hand is not transparent. Also ergonomics - I don't have to hunch over my "drawing table" any more, I can have the screen at the perfect height to keep my neck happy, and the tablet at just the right place to keep my arm happy.

I mean obviously if you're using this new Adobe tool you're not going to have the "hand obscuring menus" issue, as it's a UI designed for touch - but then again you're also using a simple art tool, rather than a giant toolbox like PS or AI. Which is fine if that simple tool happens to cover all your needs. Not so fine if it doesn't.

I know pros who love their screen tablets, I know pros who have no interest in them despite easily having the cashflow for one.

Oh yes: Graphire was the entry level brand, it's been replaced by Bamboo. Intuos has always been the pro line. The tech has advanced over time, I think a Bamboo today is better than an Intuos of five years ago. The Cintiq tends to use the better quality of digitizers found in the Intuos.

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by lsaferite » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 6:16 PM UTC

tritchey wrote: post #39

i_am_ralpht wrote: post #19

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That's cool; thanks for sharing. So you could use the accelerometer independently of the touchscreen for gestures like flicking ink blots or swishing the "brush" in "water" -- or maybe you can do some fancy things on the screen like tapping on the same spot for stippling (using the accelerometer to approximate height and velocity, independent of the final pressure on the tip). There's so much fun stuff to do here!

Definitely, that is what we hope developers will start using it for. We expose the accelerometer data in the SDK, so developers can get access to the data. We also use the relative pen position to the iPad to sort out some offset issues to make sure the line appears to be coming from the tip itself.

Does it also include a gyro sensor?

Re: Adobe's New Pen and Ruler

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Post by prawn » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 1:21 AM UTC

hobofan wrote: post #30

prawn wrote: post #7

Adobe's Ink and Slide page is here: https://www.adobe.com/products/ink-and-slide.html Coincidental timing as I have been looking at getting a stylus or Wacom tablet for sketching layouts and quick notes while at my desk. My Jot Pro with Penultimate has been a bit average, unfortunately. At that With the pen and touch line, you're anchored or near your laptop/screen and sketching is detached from the "ink" on screen.…

In my personal experience a pure Wacom tablet always beats a tablet + stylus combo. In past 5(?) years since I've bought a Wacom Bamboo, none of the tablets I tried even came close, and I tried most of them, including the ones with a wacom stylus. The problem all of them have, is that the surface is far to slippery and only the best I've tried came close in precision. The main downside with a Wacom is that you don't…

Thanks (and to other respondents as well). I bought an Intuos Pen and Touch last night for about $150 and I'm keen to try that out.

I love sketching layouts and ideas, but tend to put off doing it on paper because then I have loose sheets everywhere or multiple notebooks, or pages that have a combination of sketches and other to-do notes.

Never tried a Wacom before, so very keen to give it a go!