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Re: Open Wireless Movement

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Is there a reason for recommending an insecure network? Would suggesting a global default password for an encrypted network be better. It can be as simple as 'openwireless'.

How isn't such a setup insecure?

Using current standard consumer technology, it would have some security issues.

That's why they say:

> We're working with a coalition of volunteer engineers to build technologies that will let users open their wireless networks without compromising their security or sacrificing bandwidth.

There are a variety of technological solutions possible, many of which could be implemented in firmware (see OpenWRT). I'd guess if we dig deeper on their website, we might get to their tech plans; I am not familiar with them specifically.

Although, honestly, if you're counting on nobody being able to sniff your traffic in transit for security, you don't have enough security anyway. But still, yeah, I wouldn't want to make it that easy.

Re: Open Wireless Movement

#42
post #2

Is there a reason for recommending an insecure network? Would suggesting a global default password for an encrypted network be better. It can be as simple as 'openwireless'.

Right, this would avoid Google's argument that they can sniff unencrypted data from your wifi since it's being broadcast in the clear out into the street. At least having a per-session key would count as a legal defense against drive-by sniffers.

Re: Open Wireless Movement

#43
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"Someone's been committing crimes from your network." "It must be someone using my open wireless point." "Sorry to bother you sir, have a nice day." I can't see it happening that way somehow.

What if it was a coffeeshop, hotel, or other business?

I agree with you that the authorities aren't likely to treat individuals as well as they do businesses (at least in most countries). But the fact that they're already not gonna put a Starbucks manager in jail because someone did something illegal from Starbucks wifi -- suggests to me that there is an opening to agitate for individuals being treated with similar respect. The Open Wireless project clearly aims to make open wireless a normal and expected thing, so that legal norms will have to follow, and there will be political pressure for them to do so.

But yeah, I think it's as much of a social project as a technological one, which they seem to acknowledge in their self-description.

Re: Open Wireless Movement

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post #34

"Someone's been committing crimes from your network." "It must be someone using my open wireless point." "Sorry to bother you sir, have a nice day." I can't see it happening that way somehow.

There have already been cases where courts decided that way.

But I wonder whether it'd be possible to route all guests to Tor.

Edit: Comcast is planning to open all home routers in Houston, unless users opt out. The justice system might just have to get used to this.

http://slashdot.org/story/14/06/10/1751255/comcast-convertin...

Re: Open Wireless Movement

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post #34

"Someone's been committing crimes from your network." "It must be someone using my open wireless point." "Sorry to bother you sir, have a nice day." I can't see it happening that way somehow.

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Re: Open Wireless Movement

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post #34

"Someone's been committing crimes from your network." "It must be someone using my open wireless point." "Sorry to bother you sir, have a nice day." I can't see it happening that way somehow.

What if it was a coffeeshop, hotel, or other business? I agree with you that the authorities aren't likely to treat individuals as well as they do businesses (at least in most countries). But the fact that they're already not gonna put a Starbucks manager in jail because someone did something illegal from Starbucks wifi -- suggests to me that there is an opening to agitate for individuals being treated with similar r…

One would think that it would be Starbucks corporate legal and not the manager that would answer that kind of query.

Do you or I have the legal representation of Starbucks corporate?

Re: Open Wireless Movement

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post #38
post #34

"Someone's been committing crimes from your network." "It must be someone using my open wireless point." "Sorry to bother you sir, have a nice day." I can't see it happening that way somehow.

I'll go ahead and say it won't happen that way. Whether they can or not, they will say something to the effect of "It happened on your network; you're responsible unless you can prove it wasn't you."

That isn't how the legal system works in the US. There have been cases decided this way already.

Re: Open Wireless Movement

#48
Some other things to worry about, if you sell anything on ebay or amazon as a hobby. They have pretty complex systems to detect linked accounts. If someone was to log into a "banned seller" account on your network. It can be a nightmare to convince ebay or amazon that it wasn't you. and you can most likely be banned on their systems forever (to sell). Just seems like a lot more to worry about.

Re: Open Wireless Movement

#50
How about we make a wifi tax so that everyone pays for it and then have open networks ?

How about WiMax?

How about asking the ISPs to implement the free WiFi and flat subscription rates with no tiers?

How about asking the mobile companies that already cover urban areas to make HSDPA/UMTS/LTE free?

Plenty of more efficient ways to do this than this open network movement. And yet you're asking the individual who has like the smallest bandwidth fraction of all these players and the one one who pays the most per MB of bandwidth to make it free? Not. gonna. happen.

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