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Re: Honeywell Lyric thermostat

#41
post #22

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But the front page says average yearly savings of $7. Yikes.

Mine says $214/yr in Vancouver, BC.

Same. And it doesn't let me enter in my postal code to check the math (it says Postal Code, but the validator only accepts US zip codes)

Re: Honeywell Lyric thermostat

#42
Eww. This website could be the poster child of whatever is wrong with today's web design trends.

It looks terrible unless you're in full screen.

It breaks scrolling.

Fonts are some unreadable superthin sans-serif.

Flat drawings of real stuff that are hard to understand and take over the foreground.

Re: Honeywell Lyric thermostat

#43

They sued Nest for allegedly violating patents that Honeywell wasn't using (because they could've owned the Nest market if they'd moved first): http://honeywell.com/News/Pages/Honeywell-Files-Lawsuit-Alle... No thanks. I don't want to reward that behavior.

yes, either that or have Google keep tabs on the temperature in your house.

Is there a third option here?

Re: Honeywell Lyric thermostat

#44
post #34

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> Honeywell should have completely owned this market. True, with respect to "smart" thermostats. But Honeywell already owns the thermostat market, and it's much larger than the "smart" thermostat market.

not sure the 'smart' thermostat market will grow huge in a reasonable time frame. 'save' money by buying a 250-400$ (+ installation) thermostat when a normal one costs around 40$. This works for some people/situations, but I'd rather just turn the heat down before I go out the door. On top of it all, your thermostat can now be used against you in a court of law, and who knows what companies will do with this informat…

It'll be interesting to see what happens with power companies and rebates for cooperative thermostats.

Re: Honeywell Lyric thermostat

#45
post #42

Eww. This website could be the poster child of whatever is wrong with today's web design trends. It looks terrible unless you're in full screen. It breaks scrolling. Fonts are some unreadable superthin sans-serif. Flat drawings of real stuff that are hard to understand and take over the foreground.

It's really horrible. White text on white images, blue text on blue images. Buttons that don't work. Element with a z-index that goes over the navigation while some of the rest doesn't.

Urgh.

Re: Honeywell Lyric thermostat

#46

They sued Nest for allegedly violating patents that Honeywell wasn't using (because they could've owned the Nest market if they'd moved first): http://honeywell.com/News/Pages/Honeywell-Files-Lawsuit-Alle... No thanks. I don't want to reward that behavior.

yes, either that or have Google keep tabs on the temperature in your house. Is there a third option here?

Well, current "dumb" programmable thermostats aren't exactly awful and don't connect to the Internet in any way. A smart thermostat might be more convenient or slightly more energy efficient, but our third option is "settle for 'pretty good' until the market sorts itself out".

Re: Honeywell Lyric thermostat

#47
post #10

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Source? Isn't that only true due to the fact that most people do not change thermostats in homes/apartments/condos they move into, or when they change HVAC systems?

I don't think the average populace is generally comfortable doing wiring work.

I'm not so sure. For a home DIYer, changing a thermostat is a pretty simple project. I bought a nice programmable unit a few years ago to replace the old mechanical one, and the entire process took maybe 20 minutes. It's along the lines of "attach the red wire to this screw. Attach the black one to this screw. If you have an air conditioner, put the white wire on this screw."

It didn't involve any tools beyond a screwdriver and the instructions were dead simple. I wouldn't hesitate to install another replacement unit myself.

Re: Honeywell Lyric thermostat

#48

As of right now you can only get this through a contractor. Seems like DOA if they keep it that way.

Only allowing purchases this way is probably folly, but can you imagine homebuilders talking buyers through their upgrade options and all of a sudden having this new world of automation to include? Thermostats, security, A/V, .... Lots of money is there to be made.

Re: Honeywell Lyric thermostat

#49

One reason I haven't started adding 'Smart Devices' to my home is that I am not confident that traditional device manufacturers are thinking about security like they should. Case in point, the Belkin WeMo vulnerability[1]. Does the convenience of adding these devices to your home make up for the fact that every one you add is a potential attack vector? 1: http://hackaday.com/2013/01/31/turning-the-belkin-wemo-into-..…

I agree on security, but as a more practical point the market disrupters like Nest aren't thinking about reliability or the risks of DIY installation. I have to think Honeywell weighs that differently since they're not targeting the DIY crowd, at least initially. For example, there were many incidents in January [1] where houses with Nest thermostats malfunctioned in the middle of a serious cold snap. One reason was…

I'd like to see an analysis of the reliability of the more common type of thermostat in real-world usage. It's possible that Nest really is worse, but I also wouldn't be surprised if regular thermostats failed in stupid ways too.

Re: Honeywell Lyric thermostat

#50
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Honeywell should have completely owned this market. True, with respect to "smart" thermostats. But Honeywell already owns the thermostat market, and it's much larger than the "smart" thermostat market.

not sure the 'smart' thermostat market will grow huge in a reasonable time frame. 'save' money by buying a 250-400$ (+ installation) thermostat when a normal one costs around 40$. This works for some people/situations, but I'd rather just turn the heat down before I go out the door. On top of it all, your thermostat can now be used against you in a court of law, and who knows what companies will do with this informat…

Long-term, I imagine the market will largely be driven by new construction and from installation of new HVAC systems in existing buildings. It's much easier to upsell a $250 thermostat as part of a $BIGNUM package than it is to sell one standalone. Rationally the tradeoff is the same either way, but psychologically it works much better.
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