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Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by zz1 »

waynecochran wrote: post #19
hocaoglv wrote: post #10

Gottfrid Svartholm is currently being held in solitary confinement in Denmark, Peter Sunde is arrested in Sweden. I thought these countries were like role models.

Not trying to be a troll, but aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale? I've never understood why so much of the Internet community thinks downloading software and/or movies that is meant to be paid for is ok.

You can watch the movie, it surely will provide you some more context. http://watch.tpbafk.tv/

To reply to your answer: no, they just provide a distribution tool. Yes, it is very much used to bypass copyright, but they just provide a tool.

In TPB AKF brokep says "file sharing is here to stay, if you (majors) could just stop fighting us, we could sit together and try to find a way to give money to the artists". And he did, indeed, with flattr.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by oliwary »

ArcticCelt wrote: post #7
anaphor wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Together sentenced Pirate Bay founders in addition to prison to pay damages of around 46 million." Yeah, that's never going to happen. The prosecutor in their case came up with some fantastical amount of money TPB is supposed to have made, but it's complete nonsense (see the documentary TPB: AFK for details).

Can he just fill for bankruptcy to clear the damages?

Not bankruptcy, but "skuldsanering", which resembles "debt relief order" in English.

It is a system for heavily indebted people to free themselves of their debt after living on a minimum for five years. It also includes damages due to crimes. [1] It is pretty rare however (5357 in 2013)[2].

There are two requirements: The person has to be indebted enough to not be able to pay off the debt in the foreseeable future, and the procedure has to be reasonable with regards to the personal and economical circumstances of the person.[3] This includes the age of the debt, why they came up and if the person has worked to pay them off.

[1] https://lagen.nu/dom/rh/1996:33 [2] http://www.kronofogden.se/20136.html [3] https://lagen.nu/2006:548 [4] http://www.kronofogden.se/Vemkanfaskuldsanering.html

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by zz1 »

Too bad he didn't made to the EU Parliament.

That makes two out of the three in jail, which is very saddening. I wonder what will happen to Frederik: I doubt they will just let him be. They are beating three to scare millions.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by mwfunk »

mindslight wrote: post #25
waynecochran wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trying to be a troll, but aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale? I've never understood why so much of the Internet community thinks downloading software and/or movies that is meant to be paid for is ok.

When you examine the topic at a level beyond "it's theft", you may conclude that imaginary property is unsustainable in a world with private communications, decide privacy is the more worthy goal, and view those corrupting justice to preserve dying business models as the crooks.

I would certainly hope that he wouldn't conclude that. That level of certainty/hyperbole/condescension is either the Dunning-Kruger effect in action (AKA the "overconfident CS undergrad effect" on tech forums) or the mark of someone who would much rather embrace an exciting falsehood than spend a lifetime seeking messy and often unattainable truths (AKA why we can't have nice things).

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by codeshaman »

waynecochran wrote: post #19
hocaoglv wrote: post #10

Gottfrid Svartholm is currently being held in solitary confinement in Denmark, Peter Sunde is arrested in Sweden. I thought these countries were like role models.

Not trying to be a troll, but aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale? I've never understood why so much of the Internet community thinks downloading software and/or movies that is meant to be paid for is ok.

You mean watching movies for free is illegal ?

Here are some considerations: - It is legal to watch movies for free on TV, as long as you accept to be brainwashed by advertising. - It is legal to lend your DVD to your friend and it's legal for him to give it to his friend and his friend and so on. - It is legal to bring 90 friends to your house and watch the movie together. Each of them can then borrow the DVD and invite 90 of their friends... - Movies drop in value considerably after being watched once. It's a very poor investment.

Since obviously demand for free material exists, it means that: - there are no alternative legal channels with such diversity and simplicity of use or they have DRM or other restrictions (proprietary formats), which means that you actually rent, not buy.

- the prices demanded are too high, especially for movies which you stop halfway through because they suck (a vast majority)

As a developer, I do not agree with using commercial software for free and so I never download anything and always buy my software.

thepiratebay is the largest distributed backup of cinematography and music in the world. What happens to all these movies if something happens to the Internet (lots of things can make Internet unusable or disconnect parts of the world from it) ? What if the global economy collapses, WW3 starts and Internet companies as well as movie studios go belly up ? Where would all these creations be ? Who would have the copies if there were no torrent sites like piratebay ? But it would be possible to re-create thepiratebay and republish all those movies and music from their hard-drives back to the Internet.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by anon4 »

clarry wrote: post #26
waynecochran wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trying to be a troll, but aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale? I've never understood why so much of the Internet community thinks downloading software and/or movies that is meant to be paid for is ok.

Sharing is at worst a victimless crime. At best.. well I don't know about best but I'd say something about living in the future where we have the technological means to give people anything they need or want. That if something is wealth. And progress. Thievery is an inappropriate description of making copies.

At best it's free promotion. The thing is, piracy right now is rampant, but it doesn't seem to have a measurable effect on profits. As in, they aren't dropping.

Edit: Here's a concrete example of "At best": http://anton.nordenfur.se/paulo-coelho-destroys-piracy-myths...

In 1999, when I was first published in Russia (with a print- run of 3,000), the country was suffering a severe paper shortage. By chance, I discovered a ‘pirate’ edition of The Alchemist and posted it on my web page. A year later, when the crisis was resolved, I sold 10,000 copies of the print edition. By 2002, I had sold a million copies in Russia, and I have now sold 12 million

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by mindslight »

mwfunk wrote: post #44
mindslight wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you examine the topic at a level beyond "it's theft", you may conclude that imaginary property is unsustainable in a world with private communications, decide privacy is the more worthy goal, and view those corrupting justice to preserve dying business models as the crooks.

I would certainly hope that he wouldn't conclude that. That level of certainty/hyperbole/condescension is either the Dunning-Kruger effect in action (AKA the "overconfident CS undergrad effect" on tech forums) or the mark of someone who would much rather embrace an exciting falsehood than spend a lifetime seeking messy and often unattainable truths (AKA why we can't have nice things).

By that standard, one can never condemn any existing state of the world.

I am actually willing to compromise in that nominal imaginary property isn't the worst idea (especially as applied to the commercial realm), but only after its industries accept its limitations and stop attacking anything that prevents them from having iron-clad absolute control (attacking justice by extorting IP addresses, attacking end-user computing via DRM, attacking communications and privacy through six strikes, attacking self-determination by forcing their laws onto other countries, attacking the distributed Internet through streaming).

Until that happens, they are a malevolent pest that must be starved, as any money sent their way just supports destroying the future.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by jacquesm »

Very clever to arrest him after the elections. Before the elections this would have been a much bigger issue and possibly would have gained votes for the Swedish Pirate Party resulting in more seats in the European Parliament for them.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by SoftwareMaven »

Zigurd wrote: post #37
waynecochran wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trying to be a troll, but aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale? I've never understood why so much of the Internet community thinks downloading software and/or movies that is meant to be paid for is ok.

> supporting theivery on a massive scale? That depends on your attitude. Only a very small minority of content creators make a living from that activity. Some people are always going to be cheapskates of varying degrees. Unless they are actually manufacturing and selling counterfeit copies of my books, in my view it doesn't rise to the level of a tort, much less a crime. Google indexes downloads of my books. What con…

Many of the problems in the computing industry come from efforts to deny the reality that content can't be protected beyond the audience's willingness to be honest.

And that's where the entertainment industry's efforts to brainwash people ("you wouldn't steal a car") and to make copyright violation a criminal offense (the longer the sentence, the better) come in: they are all efforts to try to make people so afraid that they'll be honest. What a way to treat their customers.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by dsirijus »

zz1 wrote: post #38
kefs wrote: post #2

Relevant: If you haven't seen it, TPB: AFK is a fantastic documentary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPB_AFK http://watch.tpbafk.tv/

Not enough to fully understand the situation, but great documentary. Highly recommended. Freely available, of course, so here's a magnet link, for those unwilling to open their PirateBrowser / to bypass TPB censorship. magnet:?xt=urn:btih:98a2faaf2393aa4494bdc4f01f50ec3d010de8cf&dn=TPB%20AFK%202013%20The%20Pirate%20Bay%20Away%20From%20Keyboard%20SimonKlose&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A…

As a side note - you've single-handedly destroyed the layout of this article's comment page with this magnet link.
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