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Re: 2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math

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I'd never heard of this before, but looking up some of the controversy, I found this article: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/03/07/abou... It actually makes some sense. I'm still skeptical, but it's sounding like it's just a significant departure from the rote memorization methods I grew up with.

Bah... I can tell you why the first algorithm/example works because of the commutative and associative properties of math. Learning "why" a solution works, doesn't require learning some arcane algorithm. If kids don't learn how to do these problems quickly, they'll never be able to do higher order problems in a timely fashion.

> Bah... I can tell you why the [...]

You are not a six year old child learning arithmatic. You have missed the point.

> The problem with that method is that if I ask students to explain why it works, they’d have a really hard time explaining it to me. They might be able to do the computation, but they don’t get the math behind it. For some people, that’s fine. For math teachers, that’s a problem because it means a lot of students won’t be able to grasp other math concepts in the future because they never really developed “number sense.”

Mental methods are taught so that children do understand numbers, which gives them a better grounding for future learning.

Re: 2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math

#42

Funny how today's leaders in math and programming all learned basic math the old fashioned way; now it's not good enough. Yet no one preaches teaching kids economics, basic taxation and interest rates, and how investing works. So we wind up with people who know math but get fooled by politicians and scammers.

Because the same mathematicians and programmers haven't changed anything else in the way they are taught?

Re: 2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math

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You know when I in my job try something new and it doesn't work out my company might lose a contract or in a really bad case I lose my job. When we as a society decide unilaterally that we are going to change a few century's worth of teaching style for something new we risk raising a generation of children who can't do simple math. I am not worried about if this method is "better" according to research. I am worried if it works, because if it doesn't we will have an entire generation unfit to do anything but manual labor.

Re: 2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's anecdotal I know, but for me the math table rote memorization was extremely detrimental to my learning of mathematics. It forced a mind set that implied that to be good at math you needed to be able to remember senseless unrelated facts, when in reality most of the advanced mathematics this will lead you completely astray as you cannot keep every formula in your head and it is much better to be able to derive th…

It certainly has its detriments, but my point still stands: if you go into Algebra I without knowing your math tables, you're going to hit a brick wall. "Motivation" at a higher sense is something that's sorely lacking in US public school (free government school) math. Especially prior to real algebra, the teachers tend to be generalists who don't know to tell you "you need to learn X so you can learn Y which will al…

Actually, I think that for most students they hit a wall in Algebra regardless of how they learned basic mathematical operations. This wall has to do with abstraction of principles not with mechanical operation speed.

If what we are trying to teach is this abstraction, then the rote table method is arbitrary* and a time sync. The students will still learn basic sums over time, it just won't be the focus of the practice.

*For instance, my education with the tables went up to 12s. Why in the world did we choose 12? 16 would have certainly helped me out more.

Re: 2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math

#45

Funny how today's leaders in math and programming all learned basic math the old fashioned way; now it's not good enough. Yet no one preaches teaching kids economics, basic taxation and interest rates, and how investing works. So we wind up with people who know math but get fooled by politicians and scammers.

> Funny how today's leaders in math and programming all learned basic math the old fashioned way

Evidence? Just because they were school age when that was standard doesn't mean that that's how they learned it. School isn't the only place people learn, not all schools follow the normal curriculum (which is, after all, what is mandated for public schools), and even in schools that follow the normal curriculum as a base, not all instruction is limited to it.

Re: 2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math

#46

Funny how today's leaders in math and programming all learned basic math the old fashioned way; now it's not good enough. Yet no one preaches teaching kids economics, basic taxation and interest rates, and how investing works. So we wind up with people who know math but get fooled by politicians and scammers.

Personal accounting should be required from kindergarten.

Really, "home economics" should be a required skill learned by high school (at least in the US).

The US is a capitalist society. We do a significant disservice to our citizenry by failing to teach fundamentals of how money works in the public education system.

Re: 2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math

#47

I think this summarizes all the rails against common core pretty well: http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/21zdln/the_common_core...

Well I'm in the UK and it seems I was taught the "Common Core" way of doing things. All makes sense to me! Right down to using the quadratic formula to solve equations. The "Old" way just looks weird...

The joke is that the new "Common Core" standards are presented as the "Old-Fashioned" way, and vice-versa.

Re: 2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math

#48

I think this summarizes all the rails against common core pretty well: http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/21zdln/the_common_core...

Well I'm in the UK and it seems I was taught the "Common Core" way of doing things. All makes sense to me! Right down to using the quadratic formula to solve equations. The "Old" way just looks weird...

Read the comments in the Reddit link. It was apparently posted on the 1st of April. Now I'm seriously confused.

Re: 2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math

#49
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's anecdotal I know, but for me the math table rote memorization was extremely detrimental to my learning of mathematics. It forced a mind set that implied that to be good at math you needed to be able to remember senseless unrelated facts, when in reality most of the advanced mathematics this will lead you completely astray as you cannot keep every formula in your head and it is much better to be able to derive th…

It certainly has its detriments, but my point still stands: if you go into Algebra I without knowing your math tables, you're going to hit a brick wall. "Motivation" at a higher sense is something that's sorely lacking in US public school (free government school) math. Especially prior to real algebra, the teachers tend to be generalists who don't know to tell you "you need to learn X so you can learn Y which will al…

You're kind of missing the point.

Rote memorization of times tables doesn't lead to understanding. So, early in the learning process, you give children techniques that give correct answers, boost confidence and increase understanding of what is actually happening.

Thus when they see 4x = 2y they'll know that 4x means 4 xs and 2y means 2 ys.

Re: 2+2=What? Parents rail against Common Core math

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We choose my son's school based on the curriculum. They use Saxon maths, Spalding Reading (which includes phonograms), traditional teaching methods and the children wear uniforms. Its a Charter school and we love it. My son (kindergarten) is loving math and has 2 or 3 worksheets of math a night as homework. A lot of it is just repetition from previous days concepts, but he feels really good showing us how well he kno…

I can't tell if you're serious, or trolling?
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