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The origin of “log in” (2011)

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Re: The origin of “log in” (2011)

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Login is a noun (and adj). Log in is a verb. So the right one to use depends somewhat on the context. It's the "login page" but "you need to log in". But it's not super clear in all cases.

Thank you. Now someone please take on "set up"/"setup" and "back up"/"backup".

Re: The origin of “log in” (2011)

#42
I had always assumed it just came from the fact that something is literally logging the fact that you have logged in/signed in/starting using the service/whatever.

Always seemed rational enough to me!

Re: The origin of “log in” (2011)

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post #41

Login is a noun (and adj). Log in is a verb. So the right one to use depends somewhat on the context. It's the "login page" but "you need to log in". But it's not super clear in all cases.

Thank you. Now someone please take on "set up"/"setup" and "back up"/"backup".

Or tell my why "front end" is more common than "frontend", while "backend" is more common than "back end".

Re: The origin of “log in” (2011)

#44

Login is a noun (and adj). Log in is a verb. So the right one to use depends somewhat on the context. It's the "login page" but "you need to log in". But it's not super clear in all cases.

There's not really a strong distinction in the mindshare. People use them interchangeably.

Re: The origin of “log in” (2011)

#45
i always pressumed the source of the phrase was due to being "logged" by the software. eg a user is "logging on" because he is literally going on the log. If you review the server logs youd see the user on (or in) the log.

the same kind of verbage is used in all similiar scenarios. you check in at a hotel for instance.. Check, sign, log, etc etc are all really just various words that roughly mean the same thing. Log just happens to be whats popular on the web.

Re: The origin of “log in” (2011)

#46

Personally I do not think that 'log in' or 'sign in' are really satisfactory. The phrases are 'verbally skuomorphic'. On the one hand you have 'log in' and that conjures up images of a mainframe computer with blinking lights (or something left in a toilet bowl), then, on the other hand there is 'sign in', that is a bit namby-pamby and reminiscent of what you do when you sign in when visiting someone in some posh offi…

the concept of "signing in" is not unique to a web page though, you also do it at a hotel. you also do it if you have dinner reservations. you also do it if you pick up a package at the post office. You also might do it when you show up for work to be put on the clock.

sign in, check in, clock in, log in. its all referring to a social process that is unique to that engagement between those two parties. What is performed can be widely different, so it makes sense to go to these sort of common words.

Re: The origin of “log in” (2011)

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Around here, it was "wand in" and "wand out" because they used a light pen to read a barcode on their badge to access the AS/400. My Dad still says "wand in" when he logs into his Mac.

Talk about old-school computation I've heard some people use the term "Abended" for a crash, because it was an "ABnormal END" - Abend

Yeah, I used to use that all the time. 'System xyz is showing an abend'.

I had totally forgotten the term until now. Think I might throw it around a bit, see who knows what I'm on about.

Re: The origin of “log in” (2011)

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It's quite amazing how many words (and phrases) in common usage are actually nautical terms.

For example...when was the last time you said: 'Everything is above board'

'That company needs a bailout'

'A storm is coming, we better batten things down'

'Did someone just let the cat out of the bag?'

'We better clear the deck so we can start this new project'

'This project is doomed. We need to cut and run'

'My son is an excellent student. He passed his exam with flying colors'

'They successfully used a loop hole to get around the rules'

'You better toe the line' (usually mis-spelled as 'tow the line' on the internet these days)

There are many, many more.

But then you have to remember, at one point in history, all things shipping and nautical were the high tech of its day, and for a long time period.

As for me, I'll be giving any more phrases a wide berth and waiting until the sun is over the yardarm so I can pop a beer.

Re: The origin of “log in” (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talk about old-school computation I've heard some people use the term "Abended" for a crash, because it was an "ABnormal END" - Abend

The first time I heard the word "abend", I asked the speaker what it meant. He couldn't really answer: "you know, a bend !" Eventually I got the sense that it meant "crash", but it seemed like some crashes met his unarticulable criteria and some did not.

Segmentation fault = abended. Python program crash with stack trace = not abended?
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