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Nonprofit in Queens taught people to write apps, incomes rose from $15k to $72k
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Re: Nonprofit in Queens taught people to write apps, incomes rose from $15k to $72k
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
My head almost exploded from sloppy statistics reading the article. > Six months after the first Access Code class of 21 students completed the 18 week course, the 15 graduates who accepted job offers have seen their income rise from under $15,000 to an average of $72,190; the other six students are either still in college or have chosen to launch their own startups 1: Those not getting a job were not included in the…
1. Yes that's what they said. The average included those who accepted job offers. 2. After paying $20,000 a year and/or going in to debt.
Tuition is $850. Many paid less. Some paid nothing.
Re: Nonprofit in Queens taught people to write apps, incomes rose from $15k to $72k
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're there because they heard they'll get a big salary they don't deserve at the end of those 4 years, not because they have any interest in the field or want to contribute anything to the world. It's probably been like this since the dot-com era and the mediocrity has only snowballed since. The state of the software industry and the educational institutions around it is an embarrassment. If the curriculum was any…
I really don't think that's the case. Plenty of CS majors at CUNYs have no idea how much programmers make. Most come in not knowing what to major in, end up taking an intro programming class to meet some basic requirement and end up liking it enough to continue learning it. They go through the program doing well enough to pass and hope that what they learn in class will help them get a job once they're done. None of…
Current CUNY CS major here. Yes, the majority of CUNY CS majors are clueless individuals who have zero business being here. However, there are many diamonds in the CUNY rough (some can be found here: http://cunytap.wordpress.com/) who love CS and programming. There's some good talent here for startups in the alley to scoop up if they cared to look.
Re: Nonprofit in Queens taught people to write apps, incomes rose from $15k to $72k
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Re: Nonprofit in Queens taught people to write apps, incomes rose from $15k to $72k
#45> There's a booming tech scene in New York City with over 70,000 open > jobs, but it's always been somewhat insulated from the city itself What is this sentence trying to convey? The part that I do not understand is the "insulated from the city" bit.
People in a booming tech scene are not sleeping on the streets and are insulated (by walls) from the city itself.
Re: Nonprofit in Queens taught people to write apps, incomes rose from $15k to $72k
#46""We saw lots of people in the City University of New York system who graduated as computer science majors but weren't going into the tech industry," says Jukay Hsu, founder of Coalition for Queens"
"Not bad, considering 85 percent of the participants had never coded before."
How in the heck can you get a degree in CS while also never having any experience coding. They don't need a non-profit they need to reform that CS department or shut it down.
Re: Nonprofit in Queens taught people to write apps, incomes rose from $15k to $72k
#47Awesome, though it might take a bit of air out of the tech-as-a-solution-to-jobs when one hears the qualifier "BTW, they're university-educated CS majors." (At a university with an absolutely terrible career services department, even by the low standards of career services departments.)
My head almost exploded from sloppy statistics reading the article. > Six months after the first Access Code class of 21 students completed the 18 week course, the 15 graduates who accepted job offers have seen their income rise from under $15,000 to an average of $72,190; the other six students are either still in college or have chosen to launch their own startups 1: Those not getting a job were not included in the…
The infamous - survivorship bias :-o
Re: Nonprofit in Queens taught people to write apps, incomes rose from $15k to $72k
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And they have a name-brand degree going for them. And you can bet your ass they know what "version control" is and can pick up some flavor of the month framework without someone needing to hold their hands.
I could, but I wouldn't. You'll be surprised by how many brand name grads can't pass fizz buzz.
Half the people tell me that CS grads have to create new programming languages, write compilers, toy operating systems, computer emulators, learn thousands of complex algorithms, etc.
And then the other half tell me that there are CS grads who can't write simple loops. You simply can't do the former if you aren't capable of the latter.
As someone who did not go to college, I sure wish I knew which was really the case. Either one side is lying, or there is absolutely extreme variance between college CS courses. As in several orders of magnitude.
Any CS degree from a college that would pass a student incapable of passing fizz buzz should be absolutely worthless.
Re: Nonprofit in Queens taught people to write apps, incomes rose from $15k to $72k
#49Regardless of the merits of this particular case ... I'm always happy to see people improve their lots in life through education. If someone can learn to program and earn significantly more money, they should go for it.
However, I am concerned when people try and paint any given profession as being some kind of gold rush or as easy money. Even if programming were incredibly simple and anyone could pick it up ... if everyone making $15K learned to program, they would drag the median salary of programmers down to $15K due to over-supply. Our profession in particular really needs more quality before it needs more quantity.
The moral of stories like this should be, "skilled jobs generally pay better than unskilled jobs", not "computer programming is easy and pays exceptionally well!" And at that point, I doubt that is news to anyone.
Re: Nonprofit in Queens taught people to write apps, incomes rose from $15k to $72k
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I could, but I wouldn't. You'll be surprised by how many brand name grads can't pass fizz buzz.
Half the people tell me that CS grads have to create new programming languages, write compilers, toy operating systems, computer emulators, learn thousands of complex algorithms, etc. And then the other half tell me that there are CS grads who can't write simple loops. You simply can't do the former if you aren't capable of the latter. As someone who did not go to college, I sure wish I knew which was really the case…
Because people in start ups judge people on if they can use the latest web framework, and not designing compiliers.