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US tech giants knew of NSA data collection, agency's top lawyer insists

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Re: US tech giants knew of NSA data collection, agency's top lawyer insists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internal corporate collaborators unknown to the executives speaks to a failure of corporate security/infosec. I'd imagine current CEOs are increasing their organizations security measures to protect not only against corporate espionage but also state players. If you are CEO and you are forced to comply that is bad, but not nearly so bad as complying without knowing it is happening. Not knowing doesn't allow you to le…

How many CEOs view their interests as separate and opposed to their home-country security services? That's who protects them from terrorism, sabotage, blackmail, and kidnapping! A corporate infosec policy that keeps out everyone except a few quasi-official security-state moles may be exactly what they want. Earn brownie points, avoid paper trails, "everyone" wins. Probably, helping the security-state even makes keepi…

>How many CEOs view their interests as separate and opposed to their home-country security services?

Probably most in the tech industry now...

Re: US tech giants knew of NSA data collection, agency's top lawyer insists

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Tl;dr: They ALL knew. They were ordered to comply. The denials are lies.

No, it appears this is only talking about the FISA court orders >> “All 702 collection is pursuant to court directives, so they have to know,” De reiterated to the Guardian. So, yes, companies knew they were being served with FISA warrants (that they complied with) but AFAICT they were unaware that the NSA was tapping their data lines like the example where they tapped data lines between Google's (and others) data ce…

> Section 702 is not the only legal authority the US government possesses to harvest data transiting the internet.

Re: US tech giants knew of NSA data collection, agency's top lawyer insists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it appears this is only talking about the FISA court orders >> “All 702 collection is pursuant to court directives, so they have to know,” De reiterated to the Guardian. So, yes, companies knew they were being served with FISA warrants (that they complied with) but AFAICT they were unaware that the NSA was tapping their data lines like the example where they tapped data lines between Google's (and others) data ce…

> Section 702 is not the only legal authority the US government possesses to harvest data transiting the internet.

The existence of other legal authorities does not imply that tech firms are voluntarily working with NSA to help NSA harvest their data transiting the Internet.

It doesn't even make sense anyways; what does Facebook have to do with surreptitiously tapping into a router in Belgrade or Quito?

Re: US tech giants knew of NSA data collection, agency's top lawyer insists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Section 702 is not the only legal authority the US government possesses to harvest data transiting the internet.

The existence of other legal authorities does not imply that tech firms are voluntarily working with NSA to help NSA harvest their data transiting the Internet. It doesn't even make sense anyways; what does Facebook have to do with surreptitiously tapping into a router in Belgrade or Quito?

Whether cooperation is voluntary, or not, is not the issue. Nor is tapping the carriers, with or without their cooperation. The article says that cooperation can be compelled.

The issue is that some of the participants in PRISM denied providing "direct access" to their data. Some people here are saying those denials are meaningful when we do not have a complete picture of how cooperation is compelled.

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