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Re: Most Expensive Tweet Ever Sends $11,000 To Kenyan Water Charity Via Dogecoin

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Yes, the 100 Billion cap plays a huge role here. With so many Dogecoins flooding the market, it is likely that Doge will remain near worthless forever. Which means it will always be an easy coin to experiment with.

Doge and bitcoin are very easily divisible, so that's not why they're more or less valuable. Bitcoins are rewarded at 250,000,000 satoshis/block!

Yes, but both have a practically fixed transaction fee of 0.01 BTC or 0.01 DOGE. BTC transaction fees (by default) cost $0.05 now. DOGE transaction fees are basically free.

In its haste for profit-earning, the BTC community has screwed its own coin for "tipping". I ain't paying no 5% tax on $1 tips on the BTC network.

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How do they actually go about converting Dogecoin to Dollars? Evertyhing I've read and heard about Dogecoin is that it's kind of a novelty thing, so are there actually people out there who are paying to convert dollars to doge?

There's a growing list of exchanges where you can do this https://www.kraken.com https://www.anxpro.com https://www.vaultofsatoshi.com https://www.coinmkt.com

Vault of Satoshi charges $99/mo for access to their exchange? That seems absurdly high just for access. I wonder why people would pay that much, and how popular it is?

EDIT: Ah. $99/mo in exchange for zero trade fees. That's actually an interesting dynamic.

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I am very naive when it comes to the bitcoin and dogecoin protocols. However, my understanding was that mining is what keeps the currency running and you are actually validating transactions. For doing this work you are "rewarded" with coins. Not really a waste of resources if you are helping run something you support.

The one miner who solves each block validates the transactions and receives the reward. For every other miner, it's wasted electricity.

That's not how it works. If every miner got a reward, then the decentralized network simply wouldn't work.

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Dogecoin is interesting. On one hand, it's all an elaborate joke and everyone involved knows it. On the other hand, it's got a higher transaction volume than its 'serious' cousin Bitcoin, and people occasionally use it to transfer significant amounts of money (e.g. here, and the Jamaican Bobsled Team).

The biggest problem a currency has to overcome is the network effect. It's damned hard to bootstrap a currency, to get people to start -- and continue -- to use it instead of some other currency. With conventional currencies, that's typically done by governments requiring taxes to be paid in it. This has the effect of basically guaranteeing that everyone also receives their income in it as well and makes it difficult for another currency to sneak in. Taxes basically anchor the national economy onto the national currency.

With crypto-currencies, that's not an option since there's no government to levy taxes. But Bitcoin did something similar through vices: the Silk Road and Satoshi Dice got people using Bitcoin and money into the economy because they wanted to use it for drug trafficking and gambling. Because both of those sites only accepted Bitcoin, and they're either illegal or highly restricted in the normal economy, they acted as an anchor to convince people to adopt Bitcoin and move money into and out of its economy. Once bootstrapped, it's now being used for other, more legitimate, purposes.

Dogecoin is bootstrapping itself in a different way, through indiscriminate tipping and charity. It's using this kind of frivolous spending as a way of getting its transaction volume up and bootstrapping exchanges between Dogecoin and Bitcoin and USD. I could see it moving up to micro-transactions of some kind -- something small, perhaps still a joke of some kind, but for transactions (i.e, receiving something in return) rather than donation. Who knows, maybe one day we all woke up, and without realizing it Dogecoin has gone from a joke, to a joke people use for real stuff around the edges, to a real currency with a joke around the edges?

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> "Mining" is really solving a block. Well.. kind of. Mining is really thousands if not tens or hundreds of thousands of people competing to try to solve the same block. The one machine to solve it first gets the reward. (or if in a pool, it's given to the pool.) Over and over again- in the case of dogecoin, once every minute or so. The GP's statement about it being a massive waste of resources is unfortunately true…

There is some monetary value, in transaction fees, that are collected even if there is no block reward. There will be fewer people, but hopefully it will still be above critical mass. It really doesn't take much, even a few hundred people running low-power ASICs will do just fine. We will see something similar with Doge soon. In 2015, the payout will be fixed at 5% of what it was last month. Maybe everyone will stop…

> It really doesn't take much, even a few hundred people running low-power ASICs will do just fine.

That won't work - it will enable easy fraud since anyone with a moderate amount of computing power can fake the block chain.

You need a lot of computing power - but without large rewards people won't be willing to do it.

I don't expect any crypto currency to survive unchanged past the no-more-coins date. Instead I expect the date to be extended to forever.

Re: Most Expensive Tweet Ever Sends $11,000 To Kenyan Water Charity Via Dogecoin

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How do they actually go about converting Dogecoin to Dollars? Evertyhing I've read and heard about Dogecoin is that it's kind of a novelty thing, so are there actually people out there who are paying to convert dollars to doge?

How I do it:

Go to CoinedUp and convert dogecoin -> bitcoin. Send bitcoin to coinbase. Sell bitcoin on coinbase.

Kraken isn't open to USD transactions in my area yet.

Also - selling doge to private parties for USD, possibly in person.

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There's a growing list of exchanges where you can do this https://www.kraken.com https://www.anxpro.com https://www.vaultofsatoshi.com https://www.coinmkt.com

Can any of these sites actually realize that in actual USD in a reasonable timeframe? How much time and effort and waiting does it take to see $11k in their hands? Or do they have to do transactions of $100/max once per week with a waiting time of 10 days each?

The timeframe is how long an ACH transaction to your bank takes. Almost all exchanges have daily and weekly limits, ranging from $4,000 - $10,000 a day but they will often up those limits if you give them more personally identifying information.

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#48

Dogecoin has got a great attitude, think Bitcoin would benefit from being more endearing.

To the average person, Dogecoin is basically Bitcoin without any of the libertarianism. It's kind of hilarious how mad some of the Bitcoin guys get whenever Dogecoin is in the news.

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As a Keynesian I love that Dogecoin is the first (that I know of) crypto currency that isn't deflationary. I do wish there was a way to make the things other than mining though. I hate "mining". Such a waste of resources.

Mining is designed to be a waste of resources. It is kept artificially hard to prevent someone from creating a billion sock puppets and overtaking the network for malicious reasons. To entice people to use their valuable computing power and electricity on an artificially hard problem there must be some incentive.

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There's a growing list of exchanges where you can do this https://www.kraken.com https://www.anxpro.com https://www.vaultofsatoshi.com https://www.coinmkt.com

Can any of these sites actually realize that in actual USD in a reasonable timeframe? How much time and effort and waiting does it take to see $11k in their hands? Or do they have to do transactions of $100/max once per week with a waiting time of 10 days each?

A normal SEPA (euro zone) transfer of < $13k takes 1-2 days, I don't know how long other transfers take.
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