Your freedom online is threatened by an EU proposal.

Post by Sami_Lehtinen » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 5:35 PM UTC

spindritf wrote: post #16

kolme wrote: post #14

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I think you're taking this too lightly, to be honest. That's exactly the point of the Internet: it offers arbitrary services. Banning stuff because it could compete with other services you offer is opening the door to the internet being crippled on all ISPs. That's seriously terrifying.

That's my complaint about this site: who's banning what? I just checked, VoIP works on the same coax that my ISP uses to provide telephone services.

Yes, but if you make long distance calls using VoIP, and aren't paying premium rate, then they want to block those calls. Forcing you to make traditional calls which are of course lot more expensive. That is exactly what this is about.

Post by julie1 » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 10:03 PM UTC

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higherpurpose wrote: post #13

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To bypass ISPs we need to democratize the ISPs and decentralize them some more. Perhaps in the future, I could get Internet in France from a German ISP that has solar-powered drones or balloons over France, or a satellite. The longer term goal should be to create meshnets, so we can give Internet to each other. Direct censorship of stuff might not even be the biggest threat, though, but traffic shaping. We could avoi…

The bottleneck is due to the 95th percentile way of billing and the fact big content provider don't buy the bandwidth equally for everyone. Normally you peer (free exchange), if and only if you have almost as much in as out. If you have clearly more input coming to your AS than output, you are supposed to buy your internet transit, else your behaviour is parasitic. Yes google buys internet transit, but not in Europa,…

gosh, I made some mistakes on peering. but it does not change the big picture. Sorry.

Peering is just opened to anyone, and people prefer peering to buying. So people prefer to have the less possible amount of traffic leaving their AS.

http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=15169

They peer quite a lot even in Europa, it is a good move when you want to become an ISP.

Still they consider it is the ISP to support most of the cost of the dimensioning of the pipes. Without returned value.

Pfiou, good idea to double check.

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