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Re: “This presentation can’t be opened because it’s too old”

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For archival purposes, I strongly recommend saving extra versions of documents in PDF format. Those should be readable forever.

Pages '13 can't save PDFs with links. The official workaround? Use Pages '09.

Pages '13 can't open templates created with Pages '09.

Pages '13 can't copy and paste lists with numbers into plain text.

There's a reason why it has 2 stars on the app store. Somebody seriously dropped the ball at Apple. Office never pulled shit like this. As soon as '14 is out for mac, I'm removing iWork. Caring about design is one thing, caring about design more than the existing work of your users is another.

Re: “This presentation can’t be opened because it’s too old”

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For archival purposes, I strongly recommend saving extra versions of documents in PDF format. Those should be readable forever.

Text formats should be readable forever. PDF, while generally excellent in this regard, has already broken backwards-comparability on several occasions (or rather: Acrobat has, which is not formally the same as the format doing so, but in practice there isn’t a whole lot of difference; you might as well just read the raw xml in an “unopenable” keynote document). Adobe’s marketing will tell you otherwise, of course. I…

I agree, the same argument could probably have been made of postscript (ps) at some point in time and while it's still around, most (non-technical) people don't use it.

Re: “This presentation can’t be opened because it’s too old”

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I would be very surprised if Keynote '09' would even run in Mavericks. When I upgraded to Lion a couple years back I couldn't use any of the iWork suite that came with the computer. Fortunately I had only made a couple throwaway presentations and documents at that point, but it taught me a lesson about Apple's approach to planned obsolescence.

Keynote '09 works just fine on Mavericks.

After installing an update. Before you install the update it crashes on Mavericks.

Re: “This presentation can’t be opened because it’s too old”

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When I reinstalled my OS and neglected to save iWork '09, I called Apple and they overnighted me an install disk for free without even checking that I actually owned an iWork license. I don't see why it's reasonable to expect to be given software from the CD/DVD era as a digital download. It would be nice, yes, but Adobe will not give you a digital download of CS5 (I tried.) I'd be surprised if Microsoft would give y…

The core complaint is not you need to use a cd run iWork '09, it's that you need iWork '09 in the first place. The commentary on the need for cd drive is to emphasize how unreasonable it is to require iWork '09 to open several year old files.

Re: “This presentation can’t be opened because it’s too old”

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The "files" are really a folder/bundle with richtext and image files inside it. Why doesn't OP just extract the actual data from inside the bundle by right click > package contents

I mean this in the nicest way, but you've rather missed the point. While your response might be technically accurate and true, the author speaks to a greater issue than a one-off hack will support.

No, I haven't and I do mean this in the most condescending way possible; he's complaining about the proprietary format not working and laments losing his stuff. He could easily solve his problems. It's not a "hack" to open a folder or do you reward yourself with a cookie every time you open a folder on your desktop?

FFS, this is "HackerNews"... write a bash script to do it for you. Better yet, use some "super 1337 h4x0r google-fu" and search "convert keynote 08 to keynote 09" and you'll find a bash script to do it in 5 seconds[1].

[1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=convert+keynote+08+to+keynot...

Re: “This presentation can’t be opened because it’s too old”

#48

For archival purposes, I strongly recommend saving extra versions of documents in PDF format. Those should be readable forever.

I save my archival stuff in .HTML

That's worked out fairly well so far. Stuff I wrote back in the 90s is still readable. Probably not that great if you're a designer, who needs something to look just so when printed. But for near enough everything I do, it's more than sufficient.

Easy to convert too, since it's just tagged text.

Re: “This presentation can’t be opened because it’s too old”

#49

For archival purposes, I strongly recommend saving extra versions of documents in PDF format. Those should be readable forever.

Text formats should be readable forever. PDF, while generally excellent in this regard, has already broken backwards-comparability on several occasions (or rather: Acrobat has, which is not formally the same as the format doing so, but in practice there isn’t a whole lot of difference; you might as well just read the raw xml in an “unopenable” keynote document). Adobe’s marketing will tell you otherwise, of course. I…

> PDF is probably the best choice for preserving “design”, but I wouldn’t trust it for preserving content any more than any other format. Always keep a plain text copy.

I agree, but have a look at PDF/A (A is for Archiv{e|al}): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A

> PDF/A is an ISO-standardized version of the Portable Document Format (PDF) specialized for the digital preservation of electronic documents.

> PDF/A differs from PDF by omitting features ill-suited to long-term archiving, such as font linking (as opposed to font embedding).

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