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Re: Don't Ban “Bossy”

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That's funny, I actually heard the word used when I was a military cadet in high school. It was used to teach the difference between being a a leader, or just, well bossy. Don't be a boss, don't act bossy, and so on. Bossy people, we were taught, boss people around by using their rank. No one wants to follow them, they just have to. That's the worst kind of leader, we were taught. don't be bossy was good feedback. A…

In Sandberg-style liberal feminism (which preserves inequality except for the more well-off white women and therefore doesn't help all women), I can imagine they want to improve subordination to female bosses. So you should be ready to follow her imperatives like you would Zuckerberg's. In corporations, boss subordination is so complete that "bossy" only applies to someone who isn't actually literally a boss. So I ca…

In alignment with your observation, this campaign is thought by some to be battlespace preparation for Hillary's 2016 presidential campaign.

Re: Don't Ban “Bossy”

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I saw the video a couple of days ago and it was flabbergasting that someone thought that this whole thing is going to achieve anything.

If as some think this is battlespace preparation for Hillary's 2016 presidential run, the intended achievement is to make it harder to criticize her, and to others, that's worth a lot.

Re: Don't Ban “Bossy”

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(I didn't even know the "Ban Bossy" campaign existed, so I guess my comment is more about that and goes along with what the article is saying.)

Looking at the videos - to an outsider like myself, they look massively ridiculous. So there is a societal problem where girls are either not empowered to lead or are discouraged from leading by others. To stop that practice, we will get rid of calling them a specific word.

Words only have the meaning that we put into them. "Bossy" can be applied correctly or incorrectly. How is the word at fault?

I think "only in America" applies here. Instead of understanding that this is a complex, complicated issue in society, let's find a catchy campaign title and rail against intangible things. Oh aren't we all happy we have dealt with the problem in a format that we can easily post to our facebook wall instead of, you know, doing the hard work of actually figuring out and dealing with people on a deeper, personal level.

And yes, I get it, the campaign uses a reductive catchphrase to get a foot in the door and then deliver a more nuanced message. But I think a campaign set on a weird, possibly destructive premise may do more harm than good. It may lead people to think they're doing something when they're actually doing nothing apart from perpetuating a meme.

How about we all just stop and check ourselves before reducing others to adjectives in general? Grown-ups and children, women and men alike?

Maybe this tendency to grasp for the simple answer, the quick phrase at all times is the root of the problem and should thus not be utilized as a solution.

Re: Don't Ban “Bossy”

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I'm immediately extraordinarily skeptical about anything that suggests solving a cultural problem by changing language. That's like trying to solve a math problem by changing the value of pi.

This simile is utter nonsense from the outset. Pi doesn't change. It's the same regardless of who you are, whether you're a human, a dragonfly, or a rock; it's the same whether you're measuring in planck lengths or astromical units. Language is the utter opposite - it constantly evolves and changes, with new words entering every year and grammatical patterns changing over time as well. The only way to stop a language…

Changing the value of Pi specifically to solve the Square the Circle problem actually nearly happened, which would be he context of grandparents post, I'd wager.

Re: Don't Ban “Bossy”

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While feminists were busy telling the world about the dire need to ban the word “bossy,” the Iraqi parliament was considering the implementation of a new law that would legalize rape, prohibit women leaving home without the permission of their husband, and legalize marriage for 9-year-olds.

“If passed, the law will apply to Iraq’s Shia Muslims, the majority of the population. Provisions include prohibiting Muslim men from marrying non-Muslim women, legalising rape inside marriage by declaring that a husband has a right to sex regardless of consent, and prohibiting women from leaving the house without their husband’s permission,” reports Breitbart.com. The law, which has been denounced by Human Rights Watch as a violation of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW), would also lower the age of marriage to nine years old for girls and 15 for boys. Despite the fact that the law represents an egregious assault on women’s rights and wouldn’t look out of place in the stone age, you probably didn’t hear about it because self-proclaimed feminists were too busy concentrating on more pressing atrocities being inflicted upon women – such as people using the word “bossy”. http://www.infowars.com/new-iraqi-law-legalizes-rape-feminis...

Re: Don't Ban “Bossy”

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While feminists were busy telling the world about the dire need to ban the word “bossy,” the Iraqi parliament was considering the implementation of a new law that would legalize rape, prohibit women leaving home without the permission of their husband, and legalize marriage for 9-year-olds. “If passed, the law will apply to Iraq’s Shia Muslims, the majority of the population. Provisions include prohibiting Muslim men…

I agree with the article, but "There are Starving Kids in Africa" is a stock bad argument

Re: Don't Ban “Bossy”

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That's funny, I actually heard the word used when I was a military cadet in high school. It was used to teach the difference between being a a leader, or just, well bossy. Don't be a boss, don't act bossy, and so on. Bossy people, we were taught, boss people around by using their rank. No one wants to follow them, they just have to. That's the worst kind of leader, we were taught. don't be bossy was good feedback. A…

Why am I not surprised you only heard it applied to men .. in the military.

EDIT: This entire thing is about young girls, not the military

Re: Don't Ban “Bossy”

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This simile is utter nonsense from the outset. Pi doesn't change. It's the same regardless of who you are, whether you're a human, a dragonfly, or a rock; it's the same whether you're measuring in planck lengths or astromical units. Language is the utter opposite - it constantly evolves and changes, with new words entering every year and grammatical patterns changing over time as well. The only way to stop a language…

Changing the value of Pi specifically to solve the Square the Circle problem actually nearly happened, which would be he context of grandparents post, I'd wager.

Source, for those interested[1]. The bill was proposed in 1897 in the Indiana state legislature.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill

Re: Don't Ban “Bossy”

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This is consistent with the OED's first use of the term, referring to a (female) being (inappropriately) "bossy". “a lady manager who was dreadfully bossy” (1882) The purpose of language is to provide for subtle distinctions.

Nice point. The etymology of the word bossy, boss with the -y suffix, suggests that the lady manager is acting like a boss but she is not a boss. The writer here makes it clear that this is intended to have a negative connotation and is therefore questioning her authority. Recent meme has reinforced that. If we want to express this idea positively, we don't say "bossy", we say "like a boss". "Bossy" means you are act…

> "Bossy" means you are acting like a boss but in a way which is disapproved of.

I think your first point is stronger -- not that it's like a boss in a way that's disapproved of, but that it's like a boss in a way that's illegitimate or unearned. It's a challenge to the legitimacy of the leadership status of the person it's aimed at, in other words; a real boss can never be "bossy", because they have a legitimate right to boss people around. "Bossy" implies that the person it's aimed at doesn't have that right.

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