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Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by dba7dba »

lancewiggs wrote: post #37

Great. While this feels years overdue the iPad was first released in 2010 and auto companies are terribly slow at change. And cars take years to cycle through the global economy - mine is 15 years old. So perhaps velcro or a stand, an iPad, and bluetooth or wire to the radio is a cheap alternative. Or perhaps we will se an aftermarket service as with car radios. The initial launch partners (Ferrari, Hyundai, Honda, J…

You can't blame car companies for resisting change. They can't send out patches. Their product life cycle is a few years, maybe even a decade, not a year...

Funny to see Hyundai called a great marquee by apple... In S Korea, Samsung is considered THE marquee company and Hyundai Motor is a few steps below it...

Re: Apple CarPlay

#42

Post by enscr »

theswan wrote: post #6
epaga wrote: post #3

What puzzles me is that there has been extremely little improvement to Siri since the first introduction 2.5 (!) years ago - at least, none that I have noticed. That is a long time for there to not be major updates or to release her from beta. I would have expected/hoped that it would be possible to simply silently improve the server-side algorithms because of all the data being sent in and analysed. But so far it's…

Do you mind providing examples of use cases re Google Now vs Siri? Not disagreeing with you - just haven't owned an Android device in the last year to know.

9 Months ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4LvJOFTlGo

3 Months ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bohfoK-edfU

Re: Apple CarPlay

#43

Post by archagon »

GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter?

I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many hurdles to overcome before they reach that point. I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet.

Re: Apple CarPlay

#44

Post by GuiA »

talklittle wrote: post #38
GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

Looks like you forgot to scroll down. The second thing on the page: Control with a word. Or a touch. Or a twist. CarPlay features Siri voice control and is specially designed for driving scenarios. It also works with your car’s controls — knobs, buttons, or touchscreen. And the apps you want to use in the car have been reimagined, so you can use them while your eyes and hands stay where they belong.

> It also works with your car’s controls — knobs, buttons, or touchscreen

It'll work with the knobs/buttons in the cars that have them and integrate them with whatever functionality they have (I have an old boss who had a Porsche Cayenne with a large screen controlled entirely with side buttons and a small scroll thingy, which was super awkward as the device's interface seemed designed with a touch screen in mind), but it seems that the car industry is largely moving towards touch screens in cars, with brands like Tesla leading the movement. I wouldn't be surprised if innovations like these encourage an even faster move towards touch screens in cars- Apple sure loves its touch screens.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by roel_v »

GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

Did you even read the article linked to?

Re: Apple CarPlay

#46

Post by josteink »

mbel wrote: post #17
beloch wrote: post #16

If I were an auto manufacturer, I'd be pushing Apple to open up the standard for interfacing this with phones. iOS and iPhones are great, but are still only used by a fraction of potential customers. Why limit your market so Apple can score some lock-in?

I believe car manufacturers already have a cross platform standard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MirrorLink Carplay seems to be just Apple reinventing the wheel.

Carplay seems to be just Apple reinventing the wheel.

To be fair, that's basically Apple's business models. Just add some proprietary standards and some software patents and you are good to go.

Re: Apple CarPlay

#47

Post by patrickaljord »

rdl wrote: post #20
dsymonds wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.openautoalliance.net/#members

At least in the US market, BMW and Audi seem very likely to have mainly iOS user buyers. In Europe, probably more Android. So picking one platform is basically guaranteed to piss off a sizable part of one's customers. I'd probably go BMW instead of Audi if the BMW had better iOS integration, even though I generally prefer Audis. I assume an Android user would go the other way.

> So picking one platform is basically guaranteed to piss off a sizable part of one's customers.

Not really, as just like with all Google Apps (maps, gmail, now), Google will release an app on iOS so it integrates well. Apple will probably not release something to integrate Carplay with Android phones though so picking Carplay would piss off mostly Android users but picking the openautoalliance shouldn't piss off anyone.

Re: Apple CarPlay

#48

Post by dataking »

mbel wrote: post #17
beloch wrote: post #16

If I were an auto manufacturer, I'd be pushing Apple to open up the standard for interfacing this with phones. iOS and iPhones are great, but are still only used by a fraction of potential customers. Why limit your market so Apple can score some lock-in?

I believe car manufacturers already have a cross platform standard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MirrorLink Carplay seems to be just Apple reinventing the wheel.

The steering-wheel to be precise :)

Re: Apple CarPlay

#49

Post by chipotle_coyote »

dba7dba wrote: post #41
lancewiggs wrote: post #37

Great. While this feels years overdue the iPad was first released in 2010 and auto companies are terribly slow at change. And cars take years to cycle through the global economy - mine is 15 years old. So perhaps velcro or a stand, an iPad, and bluetooth or wire to the radio is a cheap alternative. Or perhaps we will se an aftermarket service as with car radios. The initial launch partners (Ferrari, Hyundai, Honda, J…

You can't blame car companies for resisting change. They can't send out patches. Their product life cycle is a few years, maybe even a decade, not a year... Funny to see Hyundai called a great marquee by apple... In S Korea, Samsung is considered THE marquee company and Hyundai Motor is a few steps below it...

Going to go out on a limb here and say that Samsung will not be one of Apple's partners on this project.

I'm over in the States, but are you sure that's really true about Samsung Motors, by the way? After about ten minutes of searching just now, the story looks very different -- Samsung may be a marquee brand in most other markets, but it looks like they're a complete disaster as an auto company. Renault took majority ownership of Samsung Motors in 2000. And their sales have been plummeting since 2010; they're behind both Hyundai and Kia in South Korea, and slashed a rather staggering 80% of their workforce in 2012. One report from that time period said that Samsung wanted to take their name off "Renault Samsung Motors" but Renault wouldn't let them.

Re: Apple CarPlay

#50

Post by aggie »

Not that it's any surprise, but it's nice to see an emphasis on Siri. Voice control is very well suited to car interfaces: the car is a relatively-quiet, private space where you can be heard by the interface but not bother a stranger, and voice is as hands-and-eyes-free as it gets (not that this is the only challenge with car interfaces – divided attention from the road will only be solved with full autopilot).

What I would love to see going forward is real consideration for the optimal mix of buttons, touch-gestures, and voice control. A promising design [1,2] is the combination of mode-selection buttons and a thumb touch pad on the steering wheel. Left thumb holds down one of several modes, right thumb makes a simple gesture (no visual attention needed) and boom, you've got a lot of options for controlling things without taking your eyes of the road.

[1] graphic representation: http://i.imgur.com/sHhDLKZ.jpg

[2] pilot study: http://pro.sagepub.com/content/57/1/1643.short

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