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Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

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Why do people keep equating DRM with proprietary? Granted, it does allow for lock-in, but it depends on who's doing the lock-in. I don't think the case has been sufficiently made that DRM is bad in and of itself. I am all in favour of open standards, no vendor lock in, I'm in favour of open source and free software. Let me reiterate just so there's no confusion, I use Ubuntu on the desktop, I use Gentoo on the server…

> Why do people keep equating DRM with proprietary? DRM must be proprietary. The whole point of DRM is that only the authorized devices get the "special source". DRM is closed source, obfuscated binaries, tricks and traps to drop people reverse engineering them. If it was open source then the functionality could be duplicated or the special sauce modified for any use. There's no other conceivable way DRM can function…

I think it depends on what you define as DRM. If you see DRM as simply and securely distributing read access permission, then there's no reason this can't be achieved with OSS.

If however the provider doesn't accept the fact that the permission to read is equal to the permission to copy something, then you're in trouble.

The formula could be so simple - distribute your content on high bandwidth, highly available networks, give access on a per-device or per-account basis (and charge money for that access), thus enable people to watch anything they want instantly and safely, and you gain back pretty much all of the customers you've lost to piracy, that would have bought your physical media before. Restricting copies is mostly useless since there are copies floating around of anything anyways. There's always been means to get content illegally, it's just now that the illegal way has become easier to use, or more importantly, the only way to get the content in a reasonable timeframe in the first place. Letting most of the world wait years between release in the US and the availability to stream and then wondering why they dare to download it anyways, is just not a sane way to go about and it has nothing to do with using DRM or not.

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

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For me "easy to use video on the Internet" always was a direct link to a file that I can download just like any file, and play in my media player of choice just like any other video file. Flash never worked so well; it only ever caused grief for its crashes, slowness, security problems, nonportability, compatibility issues, etc. So far HTML5 hasn't worked much better. I don't see how flash moved the web forward, it c…

For me the great thing was it allowed streaming video in a quality not matched by the terrible RealPlayer and the like. Downloading videos is easy now but back on slow ADSL to download a video was an overnight task but streaming was pretty much instant.

That makes no sense to be honest. If you have the bandwidth to stream a video for uninterrupted playback, you start downloading that file and begin playback while the download continues in the background. In fact there's no difference between streaming and downloading in this case, it's exactly the same thing. The use of the former term in a scenario like this always bothered me.

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

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post #11

I feel like some kind of web luddite for saying this, but does anyone else actually like flash? yes, people abused it and most flash apps were crap, but now I'm seeing more and more of the same done in css animations/javascript. It's worse too, since most people just do something like jQuery.animate and update the dom every frame. I personally liked the actionscript 3 graphics api a lot more than javascript + canvas.…

It's also easy to block Flash (I have it disabled by default), but not so easy to block JS or CSS animations selectively. Having done some decompilation/deobfuscation stuff I've worked with the Flash file format directly at the byte level, and it's really quite nice and efficient for its purpose - although you wouldn't see that from the direction Adobe's plugins have taken. IMHO it was good when it was still called M…

Adobe isn't even trying anymore. Last I checked they bundled a toolbar with the flash installer..

here's an app I wrote in the good ole days, about 20k loc: http://www.partkart.com

info: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/opensource-software/106198-par...

code: https://launchpad.net/partkam (yeah, launchpad. I have a habit of backing the wrong horse)

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

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"solid cross-platform graphic animation"

If this was true, I might have always been a happy user of Flash. In reality I remember a few years, around the time Youtube came on, in which many websites didn't work on my Linux machine. As time went on Flash is still the slowest thing on all multi-tasking platforms...

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

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post #35

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> Why do people keep equating DRM with proprietary? DRM must be proprietary. The whole point of DRM is that only the authorized devices get the "special source". DRM is closed source, obfuscated binaries, tricks and traps to drop people reverse engineering them. If it was open source then the functionality could be duplicated or the special sauce modified for any use. There's no other conceivable way DRM can function…

I think it depends on what you define as DRM. If you see DRM as simply and securely distributing read access permission, then there's no reason this can't be achieved with OSS. If however the provider doesn't accept the fact that the permission to read is equal to the permission to copy something, then you're in trouble. The formula could be so simple - distribute your content on high bandwidth, highly available netw…

What you're talking about is not DRM, much the opposite.

> If you see DRM as simply and securely distributing read access permission, then there's no reason this can't be achieved with OSS.

There is. If it's open source, the special sauce can't be special any more. The entire mechanism of DRM would be broken.

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

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post #9

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YouTube is ~99% HTML5 in my Firefox profile that lacks a Flash plugin and is in the http://youtube.com/html5 trial. It's still somewhat lacking because Firefox stable doesn't enable Media Source Extensions yet, but that should be fixed in a few months. I also see an HTML5/WebGL (?) Street View in the new Google Maps.

99%? Based on what? Number of videos? Or number of videos watched? Source, please?

That's just my guess, based on not running into any Flash-only videos. I've loaded a few hundred YouTube pages in the last month. I see that VEVO videos and the rare RTMPE-protected videos still require Flash.

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

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post #46

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I think it depends on what you define as DRM. If you see DRM as simply and securely distributing read access permission, then there's no reason this can't be achieved with OSS. If however the provider doesn't accept the fact that the permission to read is equal to the permission to copy something, then you're in trouble. The formula could be so simple - distribute your content on high bandwidth, highly available netw…

What you're talking about is not DRM, much the opposite. > If you see DRM as simply and securely distributing read access permission, then there's no reason this can't be achieved with OSS. There is. If it's open source, the special sauce can't be special any more. The entire mechanism of DRM would be broken.

What I propose as DRM is nothing but an ACL. This is available with OSS just as you can have file permissions in linux. The reason today's DRM needs 'special sauce' is always because of restricting the copying of content they want to sell people - which is pointless IMO.

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're talking about is not DRM, much the opposite. > If you see DRM as simply and securely distributing read access permission, then there's no reason this can't be achieved with OSS. There is. If it's open source, the special sauce can't be special any more. The entire mechanism of DRM would be broken.

What I propose as DRM is nothing but an ACL. This is available with OSS just as you can have file permissions in linux. The reason today's DRM needs 'special sauce' is always because of restricting the copying of content they want to sell people - which is pointless IMO.

Agreed. Short of any break of the obfuscation, there's always going to be exposure of the media in an analogue form where a user can point a damn Polaroid camera at it. DRM just makes it difficult for the legitimate consumer and easier for the illegitimate one.

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

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Four years after YouTube started "experimenting" with HTML5, it still uses Flash by default to show me videos on the latest versions of Firefox and IE. If Flash is not installed, YouTube resorts to HTML5 , which seems to play just fine, but still displays a big red warning about the missing Flash. Why can't they use HTML5 by default and resort to Flash if and only if the browser doesn't support HTML5? Why do they hav…

Funny I forgot about html5. I tried some nojs + proxy plugin that would replace flash with it, the benefits were two folds : - lower cpu usage - better network buffering; their latest flash player heuristics don't go along with my ISP bandwidth ~limitations. ps: I can also try to forward the stream to vlc or mplayer/mpv in the hope it would use even less cpu.

I love that I can send it via AirPlay to my Apple TV. Lets see Flash do that!
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