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Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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Crowdsourcing? Researchers already collaborate on works like this, so all we would get are unexperienced looky-loos and trolls. (Or were you being silly :P)

Quantity is a quality of it's own. I think getting large number of people to try something is a good way to move forward. Sure it is not efficient, but fairly reliable.

Au contraire. It is efficient but fairly unreliable :)

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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> Though it seems a bit odd to host his work on his own personal site, rather than one hosted by his institution. Anecdotal experience of mine is that there's a trend for some academics (at least in astronomy) to put everything on their personal site. It makes for more consistent "personal branding", as your web presence isn't moved every 2-3 years as you move from postdoc to postdoc to faculty position.

It reminds me of attending freshman orientation. It was suggested to us that we use our university e-mail address for all professional communication. They didn't really have a good answer for whether that e-mail would stick around after I graduated. Or whether access to that account would be available forever, or whether it would be free. I didn't even bother asking why anyone would want an ugly e-mail address like p…

I was promised when I was in school that my email would be maintained forever. They shut it off last year, about 10 years after the promise. No skin off my nose, since I used a "real" one even then, but it inconvenienced some people I knew.

(In other news, I recommend owning your own domain quite highly. You can use it to farm services out to any number of providers with just some DNS entries, but it means you can switch any of them any time just as easily.)

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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Oh, I don't really have an opinion either way or the other (as I don't have enough information on it). I was just clarifying the intent of my grandparent.

Well, in clarifying someone else's intent you appear to have gone a bit further and seemed to be supportive of them about what is and isn't reality in this case, which doesn't seem to make much sense if you don't actually have an opinion on this subject. How do you know their intent anyway? Are they actually your grandparent?

I think you mis-read my original post. The last sentence had this structure: "He's saying ... and ..." (i.e., he said both those things [including the one about reality]).

And, I knew his intent based on reading comprehension and context.

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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Quantity is a quality of it's own. I think getting large number of people to try something is a good way to move forward. Sure it is not efficient, but fairly reliable.

Au contraire. It is efficient but fairly unreliable :)

I would beg to differ. It is not efficient from standpoint of labor allocation. Not experienced people are rarely efficient at completing complex tasks. On the other hand once problem captures imagination of the significant portion of population amount of progress made goes way up.

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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Here's a PDF for anyone who wants to take a stab :-) http://brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/pdfgen/exportPDF.php?bibid=2...

Hah, on the page 85 that 'P' character got a bit out of hand. :)

It's weird that every paragraph starts with either the 'K' or 'P' characters. Not sure if that could be possible with real languages.

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

#46

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Crowdsourcing? Researchers already collaborate on works like this, so all we would get are unexperienced looky-loos and trolls. (Or were you being silly :P)

Quantity is a quality of it's own. I think getting large number of people to try something is a good way to move forward. Sure it is not efficient, but fairly reliable.

You mean like a large number of people with no qualification and experience went looking for the Boston bombing suspect?

I'll leave it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22214511

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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I started watching, and as soon as he started describing his train of thought, I realized how much bullshit it is. Oh, there's this repeating sequence that looks like English "oRoR", it must be the Arabic word for Juniper that's pronounced "aRaR".

This isn't science.

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

#48

Here's a PDF for anyone who wants to take a stab :-) http://brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/pdfgen/exportPDF.php?bibid=2...

Surprising discovery about the Voynich manuscript - it contains hundreds of pictures of naked women, probably outnumbering the pictures of plants. Maybe the focus on botany is misguided!

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

#49
post #45

Here's a PDF for anyone who wants to take a stab :-) http://brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/pdfgen/exportPDF.php?bibid=2...

Hah, on the page 85 that 'P' character got a bit out of hand. :) It's weird that every paragraph starts with either the 'K' or 'P' characters. Not sure if that could be possible with real languages.

This observation lends weight to my naked women theory. That extravagent P has arms, legs, a head and ... :P

Re: Voynich Manuscript partially decoded, text is not a hoax, scholar finds

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This describes many, many translation attempts of the Voynich Manuscript, though. At this point it's hard for me to consider another one of these attempts worth reading, because they all seem to follow the same pattern. Try and identify plants/stars/places in the text by their real names, work backwards from those names, find some other semi-intelligible parts of the manuscript based on that, then handwave away the 8…

It's pretty dubious that he says "I hit on the idea of identifying proper names in the text", like it was a novel idea. One recent attempt: same method, drastically different results: http://cms.herbalgram.org/herbalgram/issue100/hg100-feat-voy...

Remember, journalism. If he even said that, his next sentence might have been "Of course, that had been tried a thousand times and wasn't very new by itself."
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