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Venezuela's Internet Crackdown Escalates into Regional Blackout

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Re: Venezuela's Internet Crackdown Escalates into Regional Blackout

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post #39

Syria, Sudan, google bus stop, Ukraine, Venezuela, ... who's next?

Brazil is a bet

You dream. There are elections this year and current president Dilma is a strong favorite.

The protests in Brazil are fizzling. The poor never took part on them and the middle class left them because radicals (black-blocs) turned it too violent.

Re: Venezuela's Internet Crackdown Escalates into Regional Blackout

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post #5

I saw this post yesterday http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=180977 It shows how leaders of opposition are using images from protests from Egypt, Bulgaria and other places as if they were from Venezuela

There's a very black-ops feel to the Venezuela protests…

Re: Venezuela's Internet Crackdown Escalates into Regional Blackout

#43
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if you are being ironic or not, but just to remind the people who can take your post seriously, that Chavez and his group commanded two unsuccessful coup d'etat attempts, that is hardly something that a "man of peace" would do.

I am being ironic. He was lionised in the left-wing press in the UK when he died, and was a friend of our ex-London Mayor Ken Livingstone. In reality, he is no better than Castro.

You can also toss in Michael Moore and Hollywood:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130308/hollywood...

"Sean Penn sat grim-faced at Hugo Chavez's funeral Friday -- one of a clutch of Hollywood stars who lionized the late Venezuelan leader, in defiance of America's fierce antipathy to his regime.

Following a long tradition of Hollywood liberals, Penn was joined by Oliver Stone, Danny Glover and documentary maker Michael Moore in lauding the charismatic Venezuelan president after his death this week."

Re: Venezuela's Internet Crackdown Escalates into Regional Blackout

#45
post #33

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Maduro isn't a dictator, he's the democratically elected head of a weak government. The government had been run as a cult of personality, that personality died, and the professional class smelled blood. These protesters are ultimately demanding that the police shoot more people, not fewer. They feel their country is spinning out of control, and needs a strongman to save it. Paging Dr. Pinochet?

You know Hitler was also democratically elected, and do you know the Elections committee in Venezuela is practically ruled by the Government?, and did you know elections in Venezuela are electronically counted? and did you know that we all asked for the votes to be recounted manually and the boxes disappeared under government custody? And anyone who takes out all news channels and communication sources can pretty muc…

Hitler lost the election. He used the political backing that he had to force the winner, incumbent Paul von Hindenberg, to appoint Hitler as Chancellor. Hindenberg died in office, and Hitler seized the powers of the President and fused them with the powers of the Chancellor.

Hitler was not elected democratically. Please stop being wrong on the Internet.

Re: Venezuela's Internet Crackdown Escalates into Regional Blackout

#46
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maduro isn't a dictator, he's the democratically elected head of a weak government. The government had been run as a cult of personality, that personality died, and the professional class smelled blood. These protesters are ultimately demanding that the police shoot more people, not fewer. They feel their country is spinning out of control, and needs a strongman to save it. Paging Dr. Pinochet?

Maduro was Chavez's chosen successor. Elections in Venezuela aren't "democratic" by any normal definition of the term: the government controls all media outlets and suppresses campaign ads from opposition parties, nationalizes huge chunks of the economy and turns employees working in those areas into public sector employees who are required to vote for the incumbent, further buys hundreds of thousands of votes with g…

>the government controls all media outlets and suppresses campaign ads from opposition parties, nationalizes huge chunks of the economy and turns employees working in those areas into public sector employees who are required to vote for the incumbent, further buys hundreds of thousands of votes with giveaways

Citation needed. These are the same criticisms that Romney had about Obama, and for the majority of Chavez's presidency, the Venezuelan (and American) media was entirely and hysterically anti-Chavez.

>Not for nothing, but the notion that the opposition is calling for violence has been reported as Maduro propaganda:

I'm not referring to that criticism (why is all criticism propaganda when someone that one doesn't like is delivering it?) but just the fact that these are traditional upper-middle-class "law and order" protests.

If they win, the white terror will begin.

Re: Venezuela's Internet Crackdown Escalates into Regional Blackout

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if anyone is still reading this thread, i found this link had a pretty good description of what i happening (i don't live in venezuela, but i do live in chile and the link below sounds reasonably consistent with the kind of thing i have heard about the unrest here - it sounds believable to me).

http://feministing.com/2014/02/20/toward-a-nuanced-feminist-...

ps despite the title it doesn't have much to do with feminism - it's a pretty general article.

Re: Venezuela's Internet Crackdown Escalates into Regional Blackout

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maduro isn't a dictator, he's the democratically elected head of a weak government. The government had been run as a cult of personality, that personality died, and the professional class smelled blood. These protesters are ultimately demanding that the police shoot more people, not fewer. They feel their country is spinning out of control, and needs a strongman to save it. Paging Dr. Pinochet?

The difference between a dictator and democrat isn't being elected democratically - the difference is seen when someone peacefully steps down after democratic elections.

If so, there's no reason to call Maduro a dictator until he fails to do that.

Re: Venezuela's Internet Crackdown Escalates into Regional Blackout

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post #21

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I know nothing of the issue, so please educate me, but isn't Maduro the one who currently controls all media and just shut down his people's acces to the internet? Sounds pretty dictator-y to me.

As far as I understand it, he is democratically elected, but the government doesn't have much in the way of checks and balances. The stuff about the protesters wanting a military strongman sounds like biased propaganda.

What exactly do the protesters want, then? Other than Lopez to be president.

As far as I can tell, they want law and order because of the rising (and terrifying) levels of violence, and they don't want their Bolivars to lose all of their value.

Pretty traditional stuff. Foreign investors can't wait for Maduro to be toppled, because that means the shop is open again. The protesters are going to have an unlimited source of monetary support and friendly foreign press.

>the government doesn't have much in the way of checks and balances

Citation needed.

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