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The Plus in Google Plus? It’s Mostly for Google

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Re: The Plus in Google Plus? It’s Mostly for Google

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This is quite insulting to G+ users to be so easily dismissed and declaring the place a "ghost town". Deeming the community worthless because it's not as large as Facebook's is ridiculous. There is also no mention of G+ fulfilling the purpose of an identity layer to tie in Google's offerings under one pictured profile like every other online service launching today. This attack which lacks any actual news and new dev…

The problem is its not accurate..the worst social network in terms of user number is linkedin.

G+ surpassed linkedin numbers in first 3 months of operation

Re: The Plus in Google Plus? It’s Mostly for Google

#42
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, exactly this. I was fine with my Google Account; now I have a Google Social Networking Boondoggle. And the rare times G+ makes a difference in my use of other services, the net effect has been worse (I'm still not over the YouTube thing)

You should be over the 'Youtube thing'. Many Google services employ commenting/voting/rating etc, handling these in different, separate siloed systems makes no sense. G+ makes a great deal of sense that its detractors are unwilling to admit. As for the Youtube commenting system which all those who want to be derisive about G+ are quick to point to, they fail to mention how Youtube comments weren't that great to begin…

> Many Google services employ commenting/voting/rating etc, handling these in different, separate siloed systems makes no sense.

Why doesn't that make sense? Is a YouTube user naturally a Google Drive user? A Gmail user naturally a Blogger user? This seems to only make sense to Google, and not their users.

I don't know how much overlap there was between YouTube users and Google account users, but Google merged the two simply to boost the profile of Google+. People who wanted to comment on YouTube videos with their Google+ pals and their real identities were already doing that -- on Google+. The forcing of Google+ on YouTube offered no discernible benefit to YouTube users that could not have been offered while maintaining YouTube as a distinct social network.

As a Google+ user, the utter disregard towards YouTube and its distinct identity severely annoyed me.

Re: The Plus in Google Plus? It’s Mostly for Google

#43
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I just fired up plus.google.com again. 50% of the space is "ADD PEOPLE." The other 50% of the space is "DO YOU KNOW THESE PEOPLE." Where is the V-A-L-U-E ? Under the fold at the bottom is "Continue to Google+" Oh, I wasn't there already? That was just the interrogation before Google+ begins? I continue. Long load time. First thing that appears in 50% of the page is a column of the same people from the previous page.…

> reposting their shrill political screeds from their personal internet silos

Amen to that. I left the facebook years ago because of this.

Re: The Plus in Google Plus? It’s Mostly for Google

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This article goes out of its way to make Google+ look bad when it comes to numbers.

"Plus has 29 million unique monthly users on its website and 41 million on smartphones, with some users overlapping, compared with Facebook’s 128 million users on its website and 108 million on phones, according to Nielsen."

Is that supposed to be a bad thing? If you have ~1/4 to ~1/2 as many users as Facebook, are you not a very successful social network? If Plus was an independent startup people would be crowning it the next Facebook and saying that Facebook better watch its back. With all numbers in this article the author seems to say that if you don't have as many users as Facebook, you're nothing.

Plus is a Top-5 social network that also offers a convenient solution to Google's many-account problem. Sounds like it's doing just fine.

Re: The Plus in Google Plus? It’s Mostly for Google

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Beside the point: I think this google plus problem is a symptom of a larger problem. Google still acts as if it's a start-up, but it isn't. It's a company with a userbase that has come to rely on their products. Building integrated platforms - by hijacking existing ones in this case - requires planning, not multiple public iterations of crap. How many times has my Youtube GUI become more cluttered because of some integration they're in the process of rolling out? People have really come to rely on these tools, they're not the new trendy video-sharing website anymore.

Back on point: It's just a description of reality that Google's attempts at integration through Google Plus is causing a lot of annoyance and friction with its user base, even if the end-goal is more beneficial to both. For a lot of people their plus-accounts were made for them without their consent. There's an option in youtube to also publish your comment on google plus, which is opt-out initialy; It remembers the setting of your last post. So you can raise question marks as to how accurate the numbers Google publishes about their Plus-network really are. I'm pretty sure there aren't 500 million+ active users on the plus network in any meaningful way.

The real danger exposed in the article is that a lot of unknowing users are having their search results directly influenced by brands and companies that they've added to their circles. It's also frustrating that there's no option at the moment to turn off this bias. I think this going to come back to bite Google in the ass at some point in the future (I'm already using duck2go).

You add to the above the recent copy-wrong-slip-up and you could even say that there's a video-sharing website up for grabs. Because the google plus integration is antagonizing a large share of youtubers and the copy-wrong issue has antagonized the most important part of their user base: Users that upload original quality content, 90% of all uploads is crap, right? I believe the best way to handle managing a platform of this scope is the Apple way. Because when Apple releases something it's an event and everybody expects having to relearn some things. But when Google releases something it's a YAIP - yet another initiative/project. So it's really a succession of stupid moves on Google's behalf causing the negative comments, I don't think Google bashing comes into play in any way. (^-^)-

Re: The Plus in Google Plus? It’s Mostly for Google

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I just fired up plus.google.com again. 50% of the space is "ADD PEOPLE." The other 50% of the space is "DO YOU KNOW THESE PEOPLE." Where is the V-A-L-U-E ? Under the fold at the bottom is "Continue to Google+" Oh, I wasn't there already? That was just the interrogation before Google+ begins? I continue. Long load time. First thing that appears in 50% of the page is a column of the same people from the previous page.…

I fire up my G+ stream and get:

A post by Timothy Gowers about Mobius strips and Valentine's Day: https://plus.google.com/103703080789076472131/posts/gYmEcGuN...

A repost by Michael Chui with an animation of a double star + planet system showing chaos: https://plus.google.com/113476531580617567600/posts/Y3yiBojn...

A post by an acquaintance about local politics with interesting infographics.

A post from Rajini Rao titled "An Academic Valentine: The Science Behind Flower Color": https://plus.google.com/114601143134471609087/posts/7mWzModf...

A post by David Brin on an interesting sci-fi TV series I hadn't heard of: https://plus.google.com/116665417191671711571/posts/CJFcZkUf...

A report from Human Rights Watch on sectarian violence in the Central African Republic: https://plus.google.com/113055770163061121890/posts/jYRxedAB...

A repost by Romain Guy about an open source live wallpaper for Android that shows works of art: https://plus.google.com/109538161516040592207/posts/1zueVNE8...

A post from the EFF on the history of surveillance and the Black community: https://plus.google.com/113175636916099066477/posts/ZUoVA3u5...

There's quite some noise around those posts of course, but far less than on Twitter, and the pictures make it easier for me to sift through it. I'm not a fan of social networks but I like to check my G+ stream now and then when I'm bored on the computer. I definitely don't use it as a Facebook replacement (which I don't really use at all actually...).

Re: The Plus in Google Plus? It’s Mostly for Google

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This article goes out of its way to make Google+ look bad when it comes to numbers. "Plus has 29 million unique monthly users on its website and 41 million on smartphones, with some users overlapping, compared with Facebook’s 128 million users on its website and 108 million on phones, according to Nielsen." Is that supposed to be a bad thing? If you have ~1/4 to ~1/2 as many users as Facebook, are you not a very succ…

Gonna make some guesses:

1. I have in the past counted as a unique monthly user by Googling something (restaraunt, hotel, ??) and then looking at the "Google Reviews" which would take you to a plus.google.com page. It seems Google changed the UI on this now: "Google reviews" brings up a popup thing and the hours and everything else is on a card on the right of search results.

Good on them for changing it, but do I still count as a user by having consumed content which I assume come from G+ APIs? Wouldn't be surprised.

2. I bet many of those 41 million smartphone users are just auto-uploading pictures to Google+ without really knowing what Google+ is. They just like that they can auto-upload their pictures.

Google+ isn't doing "just fine".

edit: I'd like to know the unique monthly ACTIVE users. Where "active user" is defined as having posted something on Google+ (I'd concede to defining an active user as someone who has done an action to someone else's post, e.g. Like or Comment)

Re: The Plus in Google Plus? It’s Mostly for Google

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>> Before Google released Plus, the company might not have known that you were the same person when you searched, watched videos and used maps. They did know that you were the same person. You maintained the same session. They may have had limited legal ability to actually use the data from the different services, but I imagine that could have been accomplished with a Terms of Service change without a new over-archin…

That's exactly what they did. In Jan 2012:

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/updating-our-privacy-...

Re: The Plus in Google Plus? It’s Mostly for Google

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post #44

This article goes out of its way to make Google+ look bad when it comes to numbers. "Plus has 29 million unique monthly users on its website and 41 million on smartphones, with some users overlapping, compared with Facebook’s 128 million users on its website and 108 million on phones, according to Nielsen." Is that supposed to be a bad thing? If you have ~1/4 to ~1/2 as many users as Facebook, are you not a very succ…

> Plus is a Top-5 social network

Actually spending time on five non-niche social networks sounds like an incredible waste of time. Either it's one of the top two, it fills a particular niche, or it doesn't matter.

> Google's many-account problem

Exactly: it's theirs, not mine. Multiple, independent accounts were a feature.

Re: The Plus in Google Plus? It’s Mostly for Google

#50
post #25

I just fired up plus.google.com again. 50% of the space is "ADD PEOPLE." The other 50% of the space is "DO YOU KNOW THESE PEOPLE." Where is the V-A-L-U-E ? Under the fold at the bottom is "Continue to Google+" Oh, I wasn't there already? That was just the interrogation before Google+ begins? I continue. Long load time. First thing that appears in 50% of the page is a column of the same people from the previous page.…

Distinction is lost on you if you cannot tell the difference between G+ and a big, empty version of Facebook.
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