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Mozilla to deliver ads in its Firefox browser

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Re: Mozilla to deliver ads in its Firefox browser

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Why not? If this is what it takes to break Mozilla free of Google, this is worth it. If there is an alternative to directly donate to the Foundation in order to have the ads disappear, that wouldn't be a bad idea, either.

The price of freedom from surveillance isn't free.

Re: Mozilla to deliver ads in its Firefox browser

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post #21

This seems like a massive amount of hypocrisy on the part of Mozilla. "We don't want you to ever have to see ads in your browser -- except our ads!" I had an angry knee-jerk reaction to this, and while in practice it probably won't be annoying, it's a step in the complete wrong direction.

What is the right direction for an organization like Mozilla that needs to keep its lights on and pay a sizeable host of highly skilled developers?

Well, what are they doing now? Obviously it's been successful in keeping them open.

Is there evidence they are actually in financial trouble and need this help?

Re: Mozilla to deliver ads in its Firefox browser

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This seems like a massive amount of hypocrisy on the part of Mozilla. "We don't want you to ever have to see ads in your browser -- except our ads!" I had an angry knee-jerk reaction to this, and while in practice it probably won't be annoying, it's a step in the complete wrong direction.

"We don't want you to ever have to see ads in your browser -- except our ads!" When has Mozilla said/done anything like this? It's not like they ship Adblock Plus, and supporting Do Not Track isn't anti-ad, it's just anti-tracking.

If you're blocking third-party ad cookies by default, and at the same time supplying your ads, that seems pretty clear to me. (1)

(1) http://adage.com/article/digital/iab-fight-mozilla-privacy-m...

Re: Mozilla to deliver ads in its Firefox browser

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Firefox will NOT include ads - Stop the misinformation!! currently the default new tab page on a NEW installation is mostly empty: http://i.imgur.com/z71I89i.jpg What will happen is that it will be pre-filled with sites that are popular in your locale, organizations that Mozilla likes, and sponsored sites: http://cl.ly/image/3I172o2f202k The pre-filled sites disappear and are replaced by your own top sites as you sta…

Firefox will NOT include ads If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck... I think you're picking the wrong fight here. There is nothing inherently wrong with advertising, if it's done with due respect for those who will see the ads and, in this case, who are using the software. It sounds like that will be the case here, just as it was when they made Google the default search engine. But by claiming this isn't…

You are right :)

Re: Mozilla to deliver ads in its Firefox browser

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post #14

Firefox will NOT include ads - Stop the misinformation!! currently the default new tab page on a NEW installation is mostly empty: http://i.imgur.com/z71I89i.jpg What will happen is that it will be pre-filled with sites that are popular in your locale, organizations that Mozilla likes, and sponsored sites: http://cl.ly/image/3I172o2f202k The pre-filled sites disappear and are replaced by your own top sites as you sta…

Firefox will NOT include ads If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck... I think you're picking the wrong fight here. There is nothing inherently wrong with advertising, if it's done with due respect for those who will see the ads and, in this case, who are using the software. It sounds like that will be the case here, just as it was when they made Google the default search engine. But by claiming this isn't…

> If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...

That's fair, but there is also a pretty big gulf between what Mozilla is actually doing and what most people think of when they hear the headline "Mozilla to deliver ads in Firefox."

As proposed, this is basically a set of preloaded bookmarks that automatically disappear after you've visited nine sites.

So yes, it is advertising, but every indication I've seen is that it's being done responsibly, which is a degree of nuance lost in the headline. Then again, I am a Mozilla paid contributor, so I might have a more charitable bias.

Re: Mozilla to deliver ads in its Firefox browser

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, "sponsored sites" is just another word for "ads".

By that token, the pre-installed search sites are ads. There's big money associated with those things, yet I haven't heard anyone complaining about them. I like the look of this new feature—I think it will be more useful to beginning users, it produces a nicer first-run user experience, and it gets out of the way very quickly. I'm not sure if people think that Google Chrome has ads like this or not—to my view, the wh…

The pre-installed search engines are ads. They [Mozilla] are being paid to promote a product [Google Search]. That being said, it is not a form of advertisement that is particularly obtrusive, and it is "opt-out" - you are not prevented from removing search engines from the drop-down list if you so choose.

I personally take objection to ads when they take away from the usability of the product, when they are of a form that could be used to infect my computer, and/or when they are of a form that can be used to pass on data to third parties. (Un?)fortunately, this covers the majority of advertisements on websites: a large chunk of ads are pop-up, pop-over, are flash (both for battery life and exploits), redirect to untrusted websites (exploits), and/or use content hosted by third parties.

As such, my worry for this is: what happens if someone buys a spot that takes you to a page that exploits your computer then redirects to (for example) facebook? I hope that the bar (price for a spot) will be high enough to discourage this, but I don't know...

Re: Mozilla to deliver ads in its Firefox browser

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post #14

Firefox will NOT include ads - Stop the misinformation!! currently the default new tab page on a NEW installation is mostly empty: http://i.imgur.com/z71I89i.jpg What will happen is that it will be pre-filled with sites that are popular in your locale, organizations that Mozilla likes, and sponsored sites: http://cl.ly/image/3I172o2f202k The pre-filled sites disappear and are replaced by your own top sites as you sta…

If this happens, I hope that the initial presentation is entirely through Moz, and that no information is transmitted nor "leaks" to the third party until there is an actual, manual user click/selection.

I don't want my browser launches to be "leaked" to sponsors.

A first reaction. I need to read about this, more.

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