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Re: Nvidia submits patches to open source driver

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That's odd. What laptop was that? There really shouldn't be any reason for all but newest ATI GPUs to not work out of box. With nvidia the terrible stability and kernel upgrade hassles plus the need to externally install the drivers means it should be much uglier an experience than out of box ATI OSS drivers. Anyway as long as it works...

> means that normal users shouldn't really need to install binary drivers if they have a recent ATI GPU. > There really shouldn't be any reason for all but newest ATI GPUs to not work out of box. So you don't have any problems if you have a recent ATI GPU, unless you have a recent ATI GPU?

The newest AMD cards had in-kernel, free software, driver support from the day they hit the shelves.

Re: Nvidia submits patches to open source driver

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On a somewhat related (non-mobile) note, I really regret buying my AMD 5870 three years ago. Things have changed quite a bit in that nvidia has done some serious work on their Linux binary drivers, while AMD's has been utterly unimpressive, if not embarrassingly bad. I understand that Linux has been a lesser priority for both companies, which is understandable. It's not going to make them the truckloads of money that…

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Re: Nvidia submits patches to open source driver

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As someone who has bought both brands recently-ish, I have to say I would VASTLY prefer AMD over Nvidia for Linux compatible graphics cards. I found that the community-provided AMD drivers where leagues ahead of Nvidia proprietary and community drivers (in terms of shear usability). Here's a thread where I test my Nvidia 670 and my AMD 6870 in Linux. I explain why I like one over the other: http://www.reddit.com/r/li…

The community drivers are pretty limited if you need to drive more than two monitors or need to work with non-trivial OpenGL applications or games. Neither open source driver has very good power management, either. They both leave a lot to desire.

The in-kernel drivers support 6 monitors now, with a max of 2 non-displayport. Have you tried a recent kernel?

http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/

Re: Nvidia submits patches to open source driver

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> I understand that Linux has been a lesser priority for both companies, which is understandable. It's not going to make them the truckloads of money that the rest of their market segments will. Actually, they are both theoretically very interested in the Linux market because of their GPGPUs. Windows is pretty much unheard of in scientific computing (in November it powered a whopping 2 of the 500 comuters in top500).…

NVidia is probably not targeting top500, so is focusing on the 99% of market.

NVIDIA is focusing on the movie industry, where SGI workstations and rendering servers have largely been replaced by Linux boxen with NVIDIA graphics kit inside. That's probably been the biggest driver of NVIDIA's Linux support not completely sucking these past few years.

Re: Nvidia submits patches to open source driver

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On a somewhat related (non-mobile) note, I really regret buying my AMD 5870 three years ago. Things have changed quite a bit in that nvidia has done some serious work on their Linux binary drivers, while AMD's has been utterly unimpressive, if not embarrassingly bad. I understand that Linux has been a lesser priority for both companies, which is understandable. It's not going to make them the truckloads of money that…

I'm curious to see what kind of impact the use of GPUs for cryptocurrency mining has on Linux. There are a lot more people using them in Linux than previously so it'll be interesting to see if it has an effect on drivers and support.

Re: Nvidia submits patches to open source driver

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On a somewhat related (non-mobile) note, I really regret buying my AMD 5870 three years ago. Things have changed quite a bit in that nvidia has done some serious work on their Linux binary drivers, while AMD's has been utterly unimpressive, if not embarrassingly bad. I understand that Linux has been a lesser priority for both companies, which is understandable. It's not going to make them the truckloads of money that…

What is missing from the OSS drivers to make it usable for you? Do you require OpenGL 4.x?

Mesa is getting close to OpenGL 3.3 support, and I already have OpenGL 3.1 on my Radeon HD 4650.

In fact for me having a usable open-source driver has been the reason to switch from Nvidia and its proprietary driver.

Edit: I see you mentioned this down-thread, having to do with large number of monitors.

Re: Nvidia submits patches to open source driver

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On a somewhat related (non-mobile) note, I really regret buying my AMD 5870 three years ago. Things have changed quite a bit in that nvidia has done some serious work on their Linux binary drivers, while AMD's has been utterly unimpressive, if not embarrassingly bad. I understand that Linux has been a lesser priority for both companies, which is understandable. It's not going to make them the truckloads of money that…

The sad part is that, being on console hardware for a long time with chip derived from their main lines (and being in all 3 "main" consoles of this new generation), AMD obviously already has some great drivers for *nix systems, so it's not like they can't do it or would have to start from scratch. How much of that is legal impossibility, secrets protection or simply not caring enough, well ...

The consoles don't use the same graphics stack as regular computers, so having drivers for them doesn't help in anyway on a Unix system.

Re: Nvidia submits patches to open source driver

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That's odd. What laptop was that? There really shouldn't be any reason for all but newest ATI GPUs to not work out of box. With nvidia the terrible stability and kernel upgrade hassles plus the need to externally install the drivers means it should be much uglier an experience than out of box ATI OSS drivers. Anyway as long as it works...

Never had any stability issues with nVidia drivers personally. As far as installing, I just use the akmod packages from rpmfusion, they take the binaries and package it up for every kernel. When you pull down a kernel update, you also pull down the associated binary drivers. Open source ATI linux drivers might be less install hassle, the problem is they just don't work for anything beyond the most popular cards runni…

>Open source ATI linux drivers might be less install hassle, the problem is they just don't work for anything beyond the most popular cards running 2D graphics on a single monitor.

That's no longer the case. http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/

Re: Nvidia submits patches to open source driver

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On a somewhat related (non-mobile) note, I really regret buying my AMD 5870 three years ago. Things have changed quite a bit in that nvidia has done some serious work on their Linux binary drivers, while AMD's has been utterly unimpressive, if not embarrassingly bad. I understand that Linux has been a lesser priority for both companies, which is understandable. It's not going to make them the truckloads of money that…

Don't forget Intel. While their GMA chips don't have the performances of a Nvigia/AMD desktop GPU they have a much better track record at publishing code in the open. In fact I don't think there are even proprietary binary drivers for those.

Yeah, I just switched from a 2007 system running I built with a nVidia card running Debian lenny to a Ivy Bridge system with a CPU that has their "HD Graphics" running Debian wheezy, the integrated successor to GMA. I only have 2D graphics requirements and it's quite nice, the motherboard has integrated sound and video HDMI output.

(The board is SuperMicro's X9SAE, the first of a new line of workstation boards they're doing, they have a Haswell X10SAE, but it's a little early to try to make one of those work.)

Re: Nvidia submits patches to open source driver

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On a somewhat related (non-mobile) note, I really regret buying my AMD 5870 three years ago. Things have changed quite a bit in that nvidia has done some serious work on their Linux binary drivers, while AMD's has been utterly unimpressive, if not embarrassingly bad. I understand that Linux has been a lesser priority for both companies, which is understandable. It's not going to make them the truckloads of money that…

It has been interesting to watch the effect of Linus telling Nvidia to f*ck off.

It's easy to assume that theres a cause and effect relationship between Linus's words and Nvidia's actions, but we have no evidence this is the case, and shouldn't jump to such conclusions.
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