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Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Post by GrinningFool »

tomp wrote: post #17
sentenza wrote: post #13

The fight against Bittorrent is more important than many realize. If "they" get away with destroying a technology (after all, it's only a protocol) for something as unimportant as copyright, we're truly fucked.

> for something as unimportant as money Fixed that for you. Music and movies are huge industries. BTW, I think they are loosing. Sure, some laws are being passed, but there are several generations alive today that consider piracy something normal and natural. It's all a matter of who is in charge; today's leaders are old, they don't consider piracy to be good and normal. When we (our generation) become old and get in…

> When we (our generation) become old and get in charge, we'll embed our worldviews in the laws.

Part of getting maturing and growing up almost always includes a changing of worldviews as we gain more experience in the world.

THings like piracy - which once seemed perfectly acceptable when you are younger - can begin to seem a lot more like 'not paying for the work of the people that went into it'.

This is particularly true as people enter the workforce from school and over time begin to appreciate the actual value of what they produce, and its real-world implications.

I can't count the number of comments I've seen in recent years that start with a variation "I used to pirate..."

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Post by Confusion »

sentenza wrote: post #13

The fight against Bittorrent is more important than many realize. If "they" get away with destroying a technology (after all, it's only a protocol) for something as unimportant as copyright, we're truly fucked.

This is not about bittorrent. The ISP's were required to block IP addresses and DNS entries. They were not required to block bittorrent traffic

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Post by brokenparser »

fooqux wrote: post #38
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the reality is that they're reacting to uncertainty which may threaten them and both those things are real but for the most part it's really just change and the best way to deal with change is to adapt rather than to fight it. I think there are valid questions about what happens when the bulk of consumers are people who aren't used to paying for media but in many cases there are alternatives. There have been…

Part of the experience that you mention is how you get your media to begin with. The music and movie industries have tried their best to make it as hard as possible to consume legally bought media on anything other than what they want you to watch it on. Some of this is due to piracy concerns, some due to various contracts (you will only allow this movie on Starz for the first 6 months), but all of it is in their con…

Funny, the copyright maffia hates the Internet but then goes on to require it in order to consume content on blessed physical media.

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Post by duaneb »

alkonaut wrote: post #28
sentenza wrote: post #13

The fight against Bittorrent is more important than many realize. If "they" get away with destroying a technology (after all, it's only a protocol) for something as unimportant as copyright, we're truly fucked.

Surely "Bittorrrent" and "The pirate bay" are two separate things? In what way are they destroying bittorrent by attacking a single tracker/index? Isn't that analoguous to saying that trying to block or shut down any random web server serving something illegal is an attack on HTTP?

Legally, what separates shutting down The Pirate Bay from any other arbitrary tracker?

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Post by rayiner »

tomp wrote: post #17
sentenza wrote: post #13

The fight against Bittorrent is more important than many realize. If "they" get away with destroying a technology (after all, it's only a protocol) for something as unimportant as copyright, we're truly fucked.

> for something as unimportant as money Fixed that for you. Music and movies are huge industries. BTW, I think they are loosing. Sure, some laws are being passed, but there are several generations alive today that consider piracy something normal and natural. It's all a matter of who is in charge; today's leaders are old, they don't consider piracy to be good and normal. When we (our generation) become old and get in…

They're not losing, the center of power is just shifting. Netflix isn't any more okay with weakening copyright protections for its home-grown content than Disney or Universal.

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Post by sdfjkl »

GrinningFool wrote: post #41
tomp wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for something as unimportant as money Fixed that for you. Music and movies are huge industries. BTW, I think they are loosing. Sure, some laws are being passed, but there are several generations alive today that consider piracy something normal and natural. It's all a matter of who is in charge; today's leaders are old, they don't consider piracy to be good and normal. When we (our generation) become old and get in…

> When we (our generation) become old and get in charge, we'll embed our worldviews in the laws. Part of getting maturing and growing up almost always includes a changing of worldviews as we gain more experience in the world. THings like piracy - which once seemed perfectly acceptable when you are younger - can begin to seem a lot more like 'not paying for the work of the people that went into it'. This is particular…

"I used to admit that I pirate..."

From my personal observations, this is the only thing that's changed. As the copyright industry is so eager to make examples of those they deem worse than murderers, sharing is driven underground, folks use VPNs, darknets and private trackers, but are they really sharing less?

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Post by sdfjkl »

sanityinc wrote: post #8

Seems like this would open the way for the UK ISPs which are currently obliged to block torrent sites to get that requirement overturned. BT and others pushed back against it in the first place, IIRC.

Only if the legislation there also permits doing away with ineffective measures. Not to mention that this will then lead to a push for more effective ones.

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

fooqux wrote: post #38
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the reality is that they're reacting to uncertainty which may threaten them and both those things are real but for the most part it's really just change and the best way to deal with change is to adapt rather than to fight it. I think there are valid questions about what happens when the bulk of consumers are people who aren't used to paying for media but in many cases there are alternatives. There have been…

Part of the experience that you mention is how you get your media to begin with. The music and movie industries have tried their best to make it as hard as possible to consume legally bought media on anything other than what they want you to watch it on. Some of this is due to piracy concerns, some due to various contracts (you will only allow this movie on Starz for the first 6 months), but all of it is in their con…

That's an odd experience with Bluray, given that most players simply can't connect to the internet so could never download updated keys.

To me it sounds like a PS3 specific thing, rather than a problem with Bluray. I get that to you the experience is poor regardless but the problem to me sounds like Sony rather than Bluray.

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Post by Someone »

alkonaut wrote: post #32
rplnt wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many ISPs block or limit torrent traffic, whatever the content. Mine has been doing this as far as I can remember. Have to use encrypted mode only.

Yes, an attack on a particular protocol is an attack on that particular protocol. The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club.

So, if the police confiscates your car after finding you DUI/closes a hotel because it has been repeatedly found to operate a child pornogrpahy ring/locks up somebody who uses his gun to kill people, that's an attack on car driving in general/on the general idea of running a hotel/on the right to bear arms? I see that more nuanced.

Re: Dutch Court of Appeals overturns Pirate Bay IP blockade

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Post by malandrew »

tomp wrote: post #17
sentenza wrote: post #13

The fight against Bittorrent is more important than many realize. If "they" get away with destroying a technology (after all, it's only a protocol) for something as unimportant as copyright, we're truly fucked.

> for something as unimportant as money Fixed that for you. Music and movies are huge industries. BTW, I think they are loosing. Sure, some laws are being passed, but there are several generations alive today that consider piracy something normal and natural. It's all a matter of who is in charge; today's leaders are old, they don't consider piracy to be good and normal. When we (our generation) become old and get in…

Music is actually much much much smaller than people realize. It's given as much importance as movies, but I don't even think it's 1/10 the size of movies.
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