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So far, my main "ammunition" is Dijkstra's argument that "it provides an environment that discourages operational reasoning":
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Also when will people understand that SICP is not about teaching programming language? There is no fucking point in rewriting it in your favourite language, it is 99.9% your language less suitable for it (99% it already has mutable state, assignment, loops, (pseudo-)OOP and 5 layers of historic brain damage) Don't know scheme? But it's even better that way! Many things will faster click in your head. Like oh wtf we'r…
Scheme and/or Common LISP seem to be the common recommendation to embark on SICP journey, just for reference.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/939582/which-language-in-...
I'm trying to get my faculty to switch to SICP as the intro to programming course, instead of a planned migration to Python (I'm at the EE department, which is completely separate from CS). Can anyone think of good arguments in favor, which may convince the professors? So far, my main "ammunition" is Dijkstra's argument that "it provides an environment that discourages operational reasoning": http://chrisdone.com/pos…
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You are engaging in the ad populum fallacy fallacy. That is, you wrongly believe that the popularity of a language isn't, in itself, evidence of its usefulness. A lot of people making decisions on which language to use are very qualified and knowledgeable. When they choose clojure over scheme, they do it for good reasons.
If I am engaging in anything here, it is not this. You should take a look at my blog at least.) Clojure is gaining popularity (along with Scala) because it makes living in the Java Ecosystem a bit less painful and disgusting. It has nothing to do with the "decline" (non-popularity) of Common Lisps and Schemes in so-called industry, but more with mediocrity of those for whom this very ecosystem was created and markete…
This might be true and it might not be true but its sure arrogance to pretend to know that it is true. Your(and other Lispers) arrogance might be a big reason why Scheme and CL never got adopted.
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Also when will people understand that SICP is not about teaching programming language? There is no fucking point in rewriting it in your favourite language, it is 99.9% your language less suitable for it (99% it already has mutable state, assignment, loops, (pseudo-)OOP and 5 layers of historic brain damage) Don't know scheme? But it's even better that way! Many things will faster click in your head. Like oh wtf we'r…
Scheme and/or Common LISP seem to be the common recommendation to embark on SICP journey, just for reference.
I would not go with R7RS, but this is just a personal preference. Seems bloated to me.
Could we stop posting this please? It is a fantastic idea, but is incomplete and not worked on much at all. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7078660 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=900865 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1425203 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6843719 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2701414 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4112852
Also when will people understand that SICP is not about teaching programming language? There is no fucking point in rewriting it in your favourite language, it is 99.9% your language less suitable for it (99% it already has mutable state, assignment, loops, (pseudo-)OOP and 5 layers of historic brain damage) Don't know scheme? But it's even better that way! Many things will faster click in your head. Like oh wtf we'r…
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If I am engaging in anything here, it is not this. You should take a look at my blog at least.) Clojure is gaining popularity (along with Scala) because it makes living in the Java Ecosystem a bit less painful and disgusting. It has nothing to do with the "decline" (non-popularity) of Common Lisps and Schemes in so-called industry, but more with mediocrity of those for whom this very ecosystem was created and markete…
You just assume that it was much better then anything else and people where to stupid and the marketing of the others to good and thats why CL and Scheme see no industry adoption. This might be true and it might not be true but its sure arrogance to pretend to know that it is true. Your(and other Lispers) arrogance might be a big reason why Scheme and CL never got adopted.
Could we stop posting this please? It is a fantastic idea, but is incomplete and not worked on much at all. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7078660 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=900865 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1425203 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6843719 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2701414 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4112852
but would the metacircular evaluator fit on a chalkboard? http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-comput...
I tell myself some day I'll go back and build a read layer so I can have macros.
I'm trying to get my faculty to switch to SICP as the intro to programming course, instead of a planned migration to Python (I'm at the EE department, which is completely separate from CS). Can anyone think of good arguments in favor, which may convince the professors? So far, my main "ammunition" is Dijkstra's argument that "it provides an environment that discourages operational reasoning": http://chrisdone.com/pos…