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PSD to HTML is Dead

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Re: PSD to HTML is Dead

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Ok, cool. But Less is also javascript!

What the client sees is CSS, and that's the important part.

The important part for elorant (and me) is that CSS is awful to work with. And everyone in this thread is proving it by pointing out that you should use some kind of translation layer instead of actually touching it.

Re: PSD to HTML is Dead

#43
Tell that to people I work with, this is something I just did last week. I dislike doing it and I dont really agree with the camp that slices their page into images.

Re: PSD to HTML is Dead

#44

Rant to follow: So I have done a fair share of PSD to HTML, PSD to WordPress theme, PSD to application web GUI, etc. rewrites. I generally have no problem with the concept of this, and got quite good at this. However, there are some real pet peeves that keep coming up in this workflow, that are really driving me crazy. If you are a designer working with a developer, and you happen to read this, at least please consid…

As a designer, I love hearing what developers want. I always hope the process is going to be a two-way conversation. It helps me a great deal to hear what the developer wants. I also agree that if you're going to design for the web, in PS, you had better at least have a basic understanding of how HTML works and how a web page is put together.

Re: PSD to HTML is Dead

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It drives me totally batty to work on projects in which the designer assumes that their only responsibility is to provide a PSD file, which the developers will then turn into HTML and CSS. I want to work not just with designers, but with Web designers, who intimately understand the workings of HTML, CSS, some JavaScript, and the implications for different browser sizes and versions. Web designers speak HTML/CSS nativ…

In house developer's time certainly should not be spent converting a PSD file in to a full HTML/CSS website. If the designer can't build an HTML/CSS site its likely that massive chunks of usability knowledge is missing as well. The thing that hit me about abandoning PSD mockups (coming from a 15 year Photoshop user) is not responsive design but high DPI displays. A lot of big companies still have terrible upscaled ra…

I chuckle every time I see a hideous upscale raster in print.

Re: PSD to HTML is Dead

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Rant to follow: So I have done a fair share of PSD to HTML, PSD to WordPress theme, PSD to application web GUI, etc. rewrites. I generally have no problem with the concept of this, and got quite good at this. However, there are some real pet peeves that keep coming up in this workflow, that are really driving me crazy. If you are a designer working with a developer, and you happen to read this, at least please consid…

Just to belabor your well made point, here is an example of a final PSD I received from a 'professional agency': (from psdgrade.com) https://cloudup.com/c5RmHN8t1QZ https://cloudup.com/cmpmBEYg93c Thats 27 different font sizes for ONE PAGE of a site. I bet most of this was done through scaling layers to 'fit' into spaces. There were also 42 layers named some verson of -n.

Would you normally expect a psd to contain exactly specified type sizes?

I don't use psd comps myself, but I'd treat them as more sketches and guidelines as to actual style and placement, rather than some sort of specification document, because it's a different medium and text handling in ps is pretty basic - it's really not suited to extensive text layout.

Re: PSD to HTML is Dead

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It drives me totally batty to work on projects in which the designer assumes that their only responsibility is to provide a PSD file, which the developers will then turn into HTML and CSS. I want to work not just with designers, but with Web designers, who intimately understand the workings of HTML, CSS, some JavaScript, and the implications for different browser sizes and versions. Web designers speak HTML/CSS nativ…

Yadi yada is dead.. I also think web designer should have a basic understanding of css & html, but too many time I saw average web dev saying no to a designer because, well they did not care or did not know how to do it. If you start limiting yourself you limit what the designer can create. Another thing is now there are tools to make PSD to HTML much faster like CSSHAT that provide you with the exact CSS for each el…

It makes bad design faster. That's the problem. You don't want "exact CSS for each element of your design", you want a coherently designed set of visual and functional elements that work throughout a site.

And don't even start on responsive CSS and PSD-baking software.

Re: PSD to HTML is Dead

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Photoshop may be dead as a starting point, but not quite dead as an intermediate step for customized template design. A workflow that works today for quick site turnaround in commercial web design is to screenshot a Wordpress or other CMS responsive template, bring that into Photoshop, drop in branding, color changes, and replace content to produce a comp for presentation to clients. It is still quicker to make design changes in this Photoshop intermediate phase. Once the design is signed off, it's fairly easy to customize the CSS in the original template and arrive at a branded site the client is happy with.

Re: PSD to HTML is Dead

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As a developer I hope that CSS would share a similar fate sometime in the not too distant future. It’s freaking hideous, doesn’t work as it should and in order to build any decent modern site you end up writing something like 5,000 LoC. Nine out of ten times I want to do something with CSS I prefer doing it with JavaScript.

I agree that something is wrong with CSS. When you have to resort to hacks when making columns and vertically centering things... you know something is wrong.

Maybe vendors and browser fragmentation is what you are referring to?
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