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Re: Words are Hard

#41

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OP here. After reading through the reactions to this post, I think the biggest thing I missed is explaining why we need a word at all. The primary reason to have a word is that we can have something to refer to ourselves (where "we" are members of the Hacker School community). I think most communities come up with words to refer to their members. It certainly happened in ours: there are a handful of words that people…

>whether people who do Hacker School will feel comfortable wanting to use the word to describe themselves >and whether we would be alienating anyone who would otherwise enjoy coming to Hacker School. Maybe you just need a big thesaurus and someone who has a good feeling for the political atmosphere of your group.

I could have sworn that something was in Hacker School's explicit social rules that specifically says to beware of solutions that contain the word "just." Turns out there's not, but: when you phrase things that way, you imply that a person is puzzled over something trivial.

Nope. Words are hard.

Re: Words are Hard

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>whether people who do Hacker School will feel comfortable wanting to use the word to describe themselves >and whether we would be alienating anyone who would otherwise enjoy coming to Hacker School. Maybe you just need a big thesaurus and someone who has a good feeling for the political atmosphere of your group.

I could have sworn that something was in Hacker School's explicit social rules that specifically says to beware of solutions that contain the word "just." Turns out there's not, but: when you phrase things that way, you imply that a person is puzzled over something trivial. Nope. Words are hard.

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Re: Words are Hard

#43

Words are easier once you recognize that the official title of a person, product or organization actually communicates very little to people outside of the organization. Working in communications, I've seen many instances of groups using acronyms and catchy titles to brand (or rebrand) themselves. For example: - After much deliberation, a health care center decided to call its members "HARP," which stood for Health A…

OP here. After reading through the reactions to this post, I think the biggest thing I missed is explaining why we need a word at all. The primary reason to have a word is that we can have something to refer to ourselves (where "we" are members of the Hacker School community). I think most communities come up with words to refer to their members. It certainly happened in ours: there are a handful of words that people…

One alternative to existing words, and inventing completely new words, is to combine elements of existing words to create a new, unique, yet familiar sounding word. For example, Intel called their 586 chip a Pentium -- Penti being the prefix for 5. So, how about something like Hackranaut, which would imply someone exploring the Hacking arena?

Re: Words are Hard

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A persistently missing name is often a sign that the concepts haven't been fully worked out yet. In you guys' case that could be exciting. It could mean that what you're doing is newer and more emergent than you've yet realized. If so, your job is not to name the thing, but to follow it as it emerges and let it teach you what it is. Names come almost as a corollary. Until they do, lack of official names for the core concepts (what could be more core than "student" and "school"?) is an asset, not a liability.

You probably already have a laboratory running natural experiments in this area: the conversations of the people in your groups. If they lack official language for what they're doing, they have no choice but to make something up. Those can be good creative conditions. If I were you, I might try to get them to tell me what the names are, by listening closely to the words they use in conversation and to which formulations feel easiest and most alive. This often works better when people aren't consciously trying to come up with names but do it spontaneously when talking about something else.

By the way, maybe you shouldn't be down on "school" for what you're doing. It's true that people have a lot of preconceptions about school. But it's also true that your usage is historically deep. "School" didn't originally mean "child processing factory" or whatever it is now. Here's what Etymonline has for it [1]:

"place of instruction," Old English scol, from Latin schola "intermission of work, leisure for learning; learned conversation, debate; lecture; meeting place for teachers and students, place of instruction; disciples of a teacher, body of followers, sect," from Greek skhole "spare time, leisure, rest ease; idleness; that in which leisure is employed; learned discussion;"

That seems pretty close to what you're doing. Historical meanings often have resonance and sometimes make comebacks. I wouldn't relinquish this one if I were you. Imagine if you are part of a resurgence of the original meaning of schools. How cool would that be?!

[1] http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=school

p.s. You might consider "mentor" for what your web site calls "resident", and then "resident" instead of "student"...I think "resident" could go either way.

Re: Words are Hard

#46
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For those who dug this essay, check out Wiio's Laws: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/wiio.html

That material is very interesting. I'll have to find some time to look at it more closely. It reminds me of John Gall's classic Systemantics (now published as The Systems Bible).

Re: Words are Hard

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>whether people who do Hacker School will feel comfortable wanting to use the word to describe themselves >and whether we would be alienating anyone who would otherwise enjoy coming to Hacker School. Maybe you just need a big thesaurus and someone who has a good feeling for the political atmosphere of your group.

I could have sworn that something was in Hacker School's explicit social rules that specifically says to beware of solutions that contain the word "just." Turns out there's not, but: when you phrase things that way, you imply that a person is puzzled over something trivial. Nope. Words are hard.

I didn't imply that it would be easy to understand the political atmosphere of the group, or that finding the words would be easy. From a different perspective it is essentially the same thing as asking everyone with a formal/informal survey, or observing the common phrases used. It could be done many different ways.

Re: Words are Hard

#48
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For those who dug this essay, check out Wiio's Laws: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/wiio.html

So after being reminded of this, they should just call it the NY Hacker Apprenticeship and have their logo be a young female hacker. Too good?

To whoever downvoted this, their name right now is Hacker School (commonly politically correct, male "Apprenticeship" terminology avoidance) and the symbol is of a computer (commonly politically correct, neutral/male symbolism).

"NY Hacker Apprenticeship w/ a young female hacker as the mascot" would essentially flip it around, where the Apprenticeship term is used (its an old world male symbol, lets get over the passive aggressiveness) and a modern symbol of equality is used (a female hacker, yes there is political tension over this as we all know, lets get over the passive-aggressiveness)

Yes it was light-hearted because that is essentially two politically provoking things from the wrong vantage point; but sometimes two things which are politically diverging can cancel each other out with the right dose of comedy, fun, and respect.

One could take it plenty of other directions, but I thought it would be cool. Maybe "Hacker School" wants to avoid the political scene altogether out of self preservation, maybe they'll downvote me and take my ideas anyways, or maybe they'll just downvote me and dislike me, who knows?

I have nothing against any person or group, and I respect everyone equally. Cheers.

Re: Words are Hard

#49
post #13

"Colleague" is the term used in some European languages. But really--get over yourselves. No one really cares.

Are you alright? I ask this because- in my personal experience, I've found that people who use the phrase "no one really cares" tend to be deeply frustrated or bothered about something. Are you feeling powerless about something, or otherwise having some sort of trouble?

Re: Words are Hard

#50

Words are easier once you recognize that the official title of a person, product or organization actually communicates very little to people outside of the organization. Working in communications, I've seen many instances of groups using acronyms and catchy titles to brand (or rebrand) themselves. For example: - After much deliberation, a health care center decided to call its members "HARP," which stood for Health A…

OP here. After reading through the reactions to this post, I think the biggest thing I missed is explaining why we need a word at all. The primary reason to have a word is that we can have something to refer to ourselves (where "we" are members of the Hacker School community). I think most communities come up with words to refer to their members. It certainly happened in ours: there are a handful of words that people…

I once built a community on Facebook titled "\(n_n)/". The idea was to have thoughtful, philosophical discussions, but I didn't want to name it "Philosophy Group" or whatever because that sounded pretentious. We'd call ourselves "n_n'ers" or "nners"- which, of course, can't really be pronounced. In person, we'd say "I met her through 'N'."

I think this is one of those things where something will emerge out of necessity, and it'll just stick, and a bottom-up approach will probably be best. Let people figure out their own "desire paths" to what they want to be called. If communication is necessary, people will find a way.

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