Please devote all this mathematical brilliance to measuring the folks like me who NEVER RETURN TO YOUR SITE because proposing a relationship on my first anonymous visit means you're creepy and I will never invite you back into my life. I suspect that's more difficult to measure.
When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor
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Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor
#42My proposal? Get rid of the signup form altogether. Make it so they can give you money and take what they want in return.
Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor
#43"When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor" How about Never. Let the user decide if they want to have a relationship with you. Getting less conversions with a boring "sign up" form ? The solution is not an overlay. Solution is to make your product better or relevant for that user. If you can show the relevance or benefit, user will sign up on their own . If the user did not sign up, it is either becaus…
"If the user did not sign up, it is either because they are not the right target OR you suck at explaining how your product can give them what they want/need"
This is flat-out not true.
Aggressive signup often increases #s across the board from signup all the way to engagement and purchase. Were these people not the right target? The fact is that aggressive signup leads to increased signups which gives you more time to explain how your product can give users what they want/need (which is always hard to explain to all possible users on a single landing page), ignore it at your own peril.
Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's all fair though, because most content online has as much attention put into writing it as you are willing to put into accessing it. Your attitude is no different from an online "writer's": if it doesn't fall into their lap ready to be reposted with 1 single click, fuck it. Seriously, I cannot fathom what content online is worth reading, but for which the 5 seconds you are cost to click an x is not worth investin…
> Seriously, I cannot fathom what content online is worth reading, but for which the 5 seconds you save by clicking an x is not worth investing. It's not about content, it's about the company actively showing that they don't really care about providing any value, but only about monetizing you.
That's complete bs, The only way that most of these content providers can keep on providing value for you is to monetize you. Web site's aren't free, writers/programmers/servers cost real money. No one owes you anything. You want good free content to read then deal with the fucking overlays. The sense of entitlement kills me. It isn't a answer of just being "better" either. People of lazy and if you give them all the content without at least pushing them to sign up, a lot will not.
Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's all fair though, because most content online has as much attention put into writing it as you are willing to put into accessing it. Your attitude is no different from an online "writer's": if it doesn't fall into their lap ready to be reposted with 1 single click, fuck it. Seriously, I cannot fathom what content online is worth reading, but for which the 5 seconds you are cost to click an x is not worth investin…
You make a fair point about the entitlement there. Free content does indeed have to pay off somewhere else it wont be free much longer. I just wish it didn't interrupt the reading flow! There was a suggestion elsewhere in the thread of triggering the popover based on actions rather than time which might work better (Again, only on me that I know of - others will differ!) For an example off the top of my head maybe th…
Thanks - sorry, I didn't mean to write quite so harshly and would probably tone it down a tad if I could still edit; I meant to just put an opposing viewpoint down, since you wrote with an exceptionally strong position. The truth is probably somewhere in between our two comments.
Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Seriously, I cannot fathom what content online is worth reading, but for which the 5 seconds you save by clicking an x is not worth investing. It's not about content, it's about the company actively showing that they don't really care about providing any value, but only about monetizing you.
That's complete bs, The only way that most of these content providers can keep on providing value for you is to monetize you. Web site's aren't free, writers/programmers/servers cost real money. No one owes you anything. You want good free content to read then deal with the fucking overlays. The sense of entitlement kills me. It isn't a answer of just being "better" either. People of lazy and if you give them all the…
> The only way that most of these content providers can keep on providing value for you is to monetize you.
How about if they actually asked for money in a honest, up-front way, instead of treating users like a cattle to be milked? What the hell happened to the "exchanging value for money" business model?
> No one owes you anything. You want good free content to read then deal with the fucking overlays.
Me dealing (or not) with overlays is a completely orthogonal thing to the fact that people who employ those methods are at least disrespectful of their users, if not out-right dishonest.
Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor
#47Looking at all the hate toward sing-up overlays one can wonder why websites still do this. The answer is simple, an unfortunately very sad. Users value content. That's what they visit the webpage for. However, businesses like this (i.e. the ones inventing ideas like sign-up overlays) do not care about the content. They might say they do, but that is a lie. Website content is only a means to an end - extracting money…
While each of your objections are a matter of personal preferences and there can be discussion around them, you are certainly not entitled to label asking for sign-ups as 'dishonesty'. Using unnecessarily strong words without knowing the entire context (did you read the entire post or have seen the nature of our content or where we are trying to "milk" you?) is uncalled for. We don't track user with cookies, don't block our content (the overlay is dismissible), aren't showing any advertisements. Dishonesty is when I claim that I will not share your personal information with third party and still do so. How a sales process should be driven is a function of both being ethical as well as being cognizant of human behavior / market paradigms / reality. Both have to co-exist. And just to tell you what the actual behavior of our target segment is, they don't see everything in such stark light of suspicion (and neither do we misuse that) and thinking themselves to be the sheep. You can definitely judge us, but you could be doing that with lesser bias and pre-suppositions.