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What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

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Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

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Knock yourself out. People will be buying anything that they think can keep their data safe, so someone may as well come up with a decent solution. We can build it and let the HN community battle test it. Split on profits can be 60/30 as you're doing the work :-)

Can I have the extra 10 percent?

Yes!

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Knock yourself out. People will be buying anything that they think can keep their data safe, so someone may as well come up with a decent solution. We can build it and let the HN community battle test it. Split on profits can be 60/30 as you're doing the work :-)

Battle testing is a horrible way to prove crypto works, from the outside looking even horribly done crypto looks secure.

Yes, comments like this actually are what I'm looking for. We need to develop real tests.

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#43
There is vague sentence "Afterwards you get your laptop back ", but not much else. Perhaps it would be worth to create serious article on subject.

Who pays for damages?

If harddrive is separated from laptop, does it get seized as well?

What if I have 100GB of random data on hdd?

Is there obligation to provide technical support to officers? Not everyone knows howto boot FreeBSD without bootloader.

Do I get written certificate of what was seized? There could be some bitcoins on hdd...

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#44

> Between October 2008-August 2009, for example, more than 220 million people travelled to and from the US , according to Department of Homeland Security officials. > During that time authorities searched about 1,000 laptops carried by travellers. We don't live in the police state that most Snowden and Kim Dotcom supporters here tell us that we do. I get really tired of seeing anecdotes used to represent the average.

Tangential. One of the reason I love "V for Vendetta" is how it shows how normal it is to live under a dictatorship. Thing is, for most people, there's almost no difference, mainly during the most recent dictatorships. But for a very particular minority, life is very very different. I should know, I'm currently in a country where 50 years ago there was a dictator and it's not uncommon for normal people to claim how things were maybe better during those decades. Well, my grandfather, tortured by the state police for being part of an union, wouldn't agree. But for the other 99% of the population, life was, give or take, just as it is.

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#45
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"Or you can scrub your laptop clean, storing everything on an external hard drive that you leave at home. Then you know you are safe from prying authorities, at least at the border." That is unless you believe that those prying authorities have the will and the way to leave an undetectable backdoor in your laptop. Breaking the chain of custody in any laptop today is akin to destruction of trust in that device. Who is…

> Who is responsible then for paying for this damage?

Craigslist.

Or eBay, or Kijiji, or the Classified section of your local newspaper. Whatever lets you get rid of your possibly contaminated device while recouping at least part of the cost.

The difference between the price of the new device and the amount you can recoup by selling it secondhand, multiplied by the probability that your device will indeed be seized, should be considered an integral part of your budget for any international trip. It's just one of the many ways in which tyrannical governments increase friction in their citizens' daily lives.

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#46
post #44

> Between October 2008-August 2009, for example, more than 220 million people travelled to and from the US , according to Department of Homeland Security officials. > During that time authorities searched about 1,000 laptops carried by travellers. We don't live in the police state that most Snowden and Kim Dotcom supporters here tell us that we do. I get really tired of seeing anecdotes used to represent the average.

Tangential. One of the reason I love "V for Vendetta" is how it shows how normal it is to live under a dictatorship. Thing is, for most people, there's almost no difference, mainly during the most recent dictatorships. But for a very particular minority, life is very very different. I should know, I'm currently in a country where 50 years ago there was a dictator and it's not uncommon for normal people to claim how t…

> But for a very particular minority, life is very very different.

That's pretty much true for any and every society.

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#47
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangential. One of the reason I love "V for Vendetta" is how it shows how normal it is to live under a dictatorship. Thing is, for most people, there's almost no difference, mainly during the most recent dictatorships. But for a very particular minority, life is very very different. I should know, I'm currently in a country where 50 years ago there was a dictator and it's not uncommon for normal people to claim how t…

> But for a very particular minority, life is very very different. That's pretty much true for any and every society.

Can you expand on that?

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#48

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Battle testing is a horrible way to prove crypto works, from the outside looking even horribly done crypto looks secure.

Yes, comments like this actually are what I'm looking for. We need to develop real tests.

The only real test is to make it open source. There isn't a lot of money in cryto done correctly, that is closed source. Because without public audits its impossible to know you've done it correctly, and even if you have, the public perception will be you haven't due to its closed-source-something-to-hide nature.

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, comments like this actually are what I'm looking for. We need to develop real tests.

The only real test is to make it open source. There isn't a lot of money in cryto done correctly, that is closed source. Because without public audits its impossible to know you've done it correctly, and even if you have, the public perception will be you haven't due to its closed-source-something-to-hide nature.

Makes sense to me. I've always wanted to get involved in a cool open source project. Anyone want to get this started? Make it a free time activity or something? Or are there already better solutions out there? No need to reinvent the wheel.
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