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Backdoor found in Linksys, Netgear Routers

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Re: Backdoor found in Linksys, Netgear Routers

#41

Why backdoor?? That's what I want to know.

Why what?

It's a backdoor in the sense that it allows you to change settings on the modem with no credentials.

It's plausible that on a badly configured network this port could be exposed to the Internet. Anyone want to check Shodan?

Re: Backdoor found in Linksys, Netgear Routers

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you tell me which parts you couldn't get? I want to test my understanding - I'll see if I can explain it to you.

My main problems were with the memes. Seriously, nothing against a little humor in your slides. But making every seconds slide a meme reference gets annoying pretty fast :)

Agreed, the slides were unreadable. A simple text document would have sufficed...

Re: Backdoor found in Linksys, Netgear Routers

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you tell me which parts you couldn't get? I want to test my understanding - I'll see if I can explain it to you.

My main problems were with the memes. Seriously, nothing against a little humor in your slides. But making every seconds slide a meme reference gets annoying pretty fast :)

Slides, in general, aren't very useful without the accompanying talk.

And this didn't even have a talk.

Re: Backdoor found in Linksys, Netgear Routers

#44
post #28

Buy a $200 soekris box and install openbsd or m0n0wall on it, or on any old pc you have lying around with 2 network cards.

Or, you know, any $30 OpenWRT-supported router.

Tell me, either way a Soekris box or an OpenWRT compatible router, how this brings a solution to the masses.

Re: Backdoor found in Linksys, Netgear Routers

#46

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Could you describe the whole reversing process in a bit more detail? Binary goes in, understanding comes out, you can't explain that (well I hope someone can).

I'm going to rush this, sorry. * Guy sees service running on 32764 and thinks that's quite odd * Gets very frustrated at useless forum posts from people with no clue * Downloads a copy of the firmware from the (horrible) modem-help.co.uk This is where it gets interesting: Binwalk ------ First off, a program called Binwalk is used. This is a combo of a really cool python script, the libmagic database (if you've used t…

He doesn't actually exploit the heap overflow. He just sends messages as a normal backdoor user would, theres no authentication.

(He also greps for the string the server sent upon connection, but it's nowhere to be found. He then just greps for bind and filters for binary files only, to find all binaries that call bind (remember dynamic linking in the end comes down to strings..))

Re: Backdoor found in Linksys, Netgear Routers

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you tell me which parts you couldn't get? I want to test my understanding - I'll see if I can explain it to you.

My main problems were with the memes. Seriously, nothing against a little humor in your slides. But making every seconds slide a meme reference gets annoying pretty fast :)

It almost felt like the memes were for obfuscation, because they certainly had that effect on me. I'd say if this was a presentation, it would be neither informative nor professional.

A well-placed meme for humour can be good, I agree.

Re: Backdoor found in Linksys, Netgear Routers

#49
post #3

TIL: Some people know a lot more than me about hacking. That PDF was interesting, but I only understood a small fraction of it.

Can you tell me which parts you couldn't get? I want to test my understanding - I'll see if I can explain it to you.

What is the tool being shown on slide 18? It looks like it breaks the assembly into basic blocks and shows a control flow graph based on that. Very cool tool, is it open-source?

Re: Backdoor found in Linksys, Netgear Routers

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I hacked my Fritz!Box (yeah, a bad name for a german router) and I'm entirely sure that it has a backdoor integrated too. That's why I wiped and flashed it with an alternative image. That and the Telecom's Speedport router are the most popular routers by far in Germany. And both have backdoors, I know that other router manufacturers also integrate backdoors from a source who works at such a company. A friend can also…

Please provide evidence for the alleged backdoor in AVM Fritz!Box routers. Being sure is not convincing … I don't see why you had to hack an AVM router either – you can easily install other firmware and Fritz!Box routers can be directly bought anyway.

>> "you can easily install other firmware"

That's what I did, I flashed it with a custom firmware (that was after I got aware of the backdoor). I've not "reverse-engineered" the base image of my own router like in the article above, because that's a lot of work. I've worked on an awful lot of routers, hubs, switches of all sorts, enterprise and consumer. Have been network administrator for a large global company and I think that I can trust my sources.

What the new user "blablablaat " mentioned is obvious, I'm not stupid to make something like this up. Of course I have no "Provider Services" or anything remotely similar enabled, but it's still possible to connect to the router and take control over it according to my source and I've seen it back then, when I asked for him/her to show it. Now why, do you expect me to prove that? A security researcher, is more qualified than me to create the convincing report you're asking for, sorry. You can feel free to do it yourself too, if you want. It's not my intention to spread rumors or FUD, but to make you at least aware of that your router ain't secure.

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