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could risk a Digg-like exodus That only happens if there is somewhere else to jump to. What else is there? We don't use the best of all possible systems, we use the best available system, which is always highly imperfect.
I'd suggest that Imgur will be a nearly complete replacement option for Reddit (no coincidence, it's intentional). At the rate Imgur is increasing in size, and the rate at which they're moving toward social, this is seemingly just a matter of time now.
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Re: Reddit reaches for profits through a geek-culture bazaar
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd suggest that Imgur will be a nearly complete replacement option for Reddit (no coincidence, it's intentional). At the rate Imgur is increasing in size, and the rate at which they're moving toward social, this is seemingly just a matter of time now.
I have a sneaking suspicion that there is a big overlap of the early adopter core user bases from kuro4hin, slashdot, reddit, and HN - i.e. a lot of the same people moved from one to the other and created the editorial direction (so to speak). By that measure HN is 'the next Reddit'.
Re: Reddit reaches for profits through a geek-culture bazaar
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a sneaking suspicion that there is a big overlap of the early adopter core user bases from kuro4hin, slashdot, reddit, and HN - i.e. a lot of the same people moved from one to the other and created the editorial direction (so to speak). By that measure HN is 'the next Reddit'.
Unless HN starts supporting sub“HN”s (or starts allowing porn, jokes and My Little Pony-related posts on the frontpage) I don't think it's a viable replacement for Reddit.
Re: Reddit reaches for profits through a geek-culture bazaar
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What else is there? Any forum with threads, voting, and karma. The software is freely available, in multiple forms.
But not the people. Empty forums are boring. They have the mindshare. There were alternatives to Twitter (some of them open source) but no one has fled to them no matter how much they cripple the APIs or how many ads they put.
Re: Reddit reaches for profits through a geek-culture bazaar
#45===== Reddit Users =====
● Advertising on Reddit is equivalent to a business hustler in a suit approaching you at a hackathon. Ads are unwelcome because no one on Reddit is there to buy anything.
● Even if you get lots of traffic, there's no conversion. Out of 1,000 unique visits I've had ->1===== Reddit's Ad Methods Flaws =====
● Reddit doesn't understand what an "ad" is. Plain and simple. It tries to fit "ads" into a "content" form factor and group them into the "content feed" where they DO-NOT-BELONG. Users don't like this. They don't like this on Reddit and they don't like it anywhere else on the web.
● By mixing ads and content Reddit is making their advertisers seem deceitful and dishonest. Like we're trying to sneak a money making scheme into their pristine community of readers. When really we're supporting their community.
● Reddit lacks version control and the ability to test out different ad type content.
● Too many Reddit users tend to be "dough bags". The type that always ask you for food/pizza/ride/cigarette/drink and never repay you. I'm sorry but it's true. They'll rip images from people's personal blogs and link to them directly rather than linking to that person's page with the entirety of the content. Or they'll just re-upload stolen content to imgur where all their images are hosted. Their excuse is that they won't want "blog-spam". Everything to them is blog-spam -_-. They like to take and not give back when it comes to content. So advertising to this crowd will get you no where.
===== Possible Solution =====
● Use 1 traditional ad on the right side with "Today's Community Supporter:" above it. Make sure the ad doesn't use "ad like code", rotate, and is a static image that way it's much less likely to get blocked by ad blockers.
● Nothing. Reddit was like this since the beginning. I remember Reddit back when it was just 1 reddit (before subreddits) and the community behavior was similar. Snarky, condescending, anti-entrepreneur.
What makes Hacker News awesome is the community's understanding of self promotion: Posting a link or plug to your startup/business when relevant is acceptable: The calendar I mentioned above is here at my custom webstore: http://dayonepp.com/ you can use coupon code: "hn" to get $3 off.
Re: Reddit reaches for profits through a geek-culture bazaar
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Reddit has always been anti-ads especially since they feel strongly that their userbase hates ads and would actually revolt in a mass uprising if Reddit started getting more aggressive with the ads they show. I'm actually with you about them finding more cost effective ways to serve all that content. I wonder if they should think about using peer-to-peer caching using HTML5/webworkers and other distributed caching me…
revolt in a mass uprising What actually happens: the old timers complain for three days then just put up with it. People still conflate online complaining with meaning and desires of the entire user base. Sadly, online comments aren't independent statistical samples from your entire user base. What's the rate again? 2% of users actively participate in sites while 98% happily browse and put up with ads?
Rule of thumb: if you're business is selling your users to advertisers, don't piss off your users, because then you'll have no product.
Re: Reddit reaches for profits through a geek-culture bazaar
#47Reddit's real product has always been its hipness. You introduce something on Reddit, and 1000 bots-or-people "upvote" it, and suddenly the press picks up on the story. How does this translate into dollars and cents? Reddit could use its platform to popularize new hip counterculture products. When advertisers purchase ad space, the real ads would be in the links and comments. All it takes is about a dozen people to u…
>Reddit's real product has always been its hipness. I disagree. Their strength (in my view) is that its a build your own community DIY. If you feel strongly about turnips then start a turnip subreddit. vb forum etc doesn't have that flexibility. EDIT: FML...someone claimed /r/turnips already.