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Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by Tobu »

mz23in wrote: post #40
michaelt wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to [1] French law means they can't store credit card information or directly debit bank accounts. So I can see why a prepay account would appeal to them. [1] http://wiki.gandi.net/en/billing/faq/direct-debit

we can not store, but we also do not want to store this information (credit card) for our customers safety BUT, our bank does it for us, so you can now auto-credit your prepaid account using probe (no more credit, auto credit every month, ...)

By probe, you mean scripting? It sounds a bit complicated compared to a checkbox on the payment screen.

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by corobo »

JoshGlazebrook wrote: post #28

Unrelated to the ipv6 subject, but does anyone else just find the whole concept of "credits" that gandi is using absolutely irritating? I know that it lists "or about $xx.xx per month" next to the credit cost, but why in the hell even have the credits in the first place? It's easier to just use the actual costs in the customer's local currency than have them try and figure out what exactly a credit/"coin" is worth.

Good lord yes. They introduced it as a much easier way to calculate billing but it's actively turned me off renting a server there. Just tell me how much per hour and per month. Even if it's broken down by resource, it works for Rackspace - that's all I need.

Considering their motto is "No bullshit" you'd have thought they'd just give you the prices and leave you to it

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by kalou »

notimetorelax wrote: post #3
louwrentius wrote: post #2

My opinion: IPv6 is used by nobody, nobody cares about IPv6 except for us tech nerds and in five years it will still be nowhere. But still, nice if you want to try it out and test with it.

I wonder who else but tech nerds should be interested in IPv6?

I'm quite sure Gandi targets who you call "tech nerds" - and they promote v6 also in that move. IPv6 has a future, I bet

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by Semaphor »

perlgeek wrote: post #22
louwrentius wrote: post #2

My opinion: IPv6 is used by nobody, nobody cares about IPv6 except for us tech nerds and in five years it will still be nowhere. But still, nice if you want to try it out and test with it.

I know of several German ISPs (Kabel Deutschland, MNet) that don't even give you a dynamic IPv4 IP anymore, but use Dual-Stack Lite (that is, IPv6, and carrier-grade NAT to access public IPv4 addresses). Oh, and they limit the ports (and thus connections) you can have open at a time, to something like 1000. I wouldn't want to have such a connection.

They started rolling out IPv6 in some regions Q1/Q2 2013 [1]. I for example still can't use IPv6 :/

I'd also like to mention that we do not have a static IP, it just changes less often than it did with DSL.

[1] http://www.kabeldeutschland.de/portal/faq/article/id/631 (German)

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by zeograd »

JoshGlazebrook wrote: post #28

Unrelated to the ipv6 subject, but does anyone else just find the whole concept of "credits" that gandi is using absolutely irritating? I know that it lists "or about $xx.xx per month" next to the credit cost, but why in the hell even have the credits in the first place? It's easier to just use the actual costs in the customer's local currency than have them try and figure out what exactly a credit/"coin" is worth.

advantage of credits vs local money is that the cost of credits is lower as you buy it by larger batch. It's a way to reward bigger buyers which would be confusing when using local money ("get credited of €215 when paying €180" ? what about refund ? invoicing unit ?)

And as resources can be micromanaged (per hour, via their api), you'd end up with tiny fractions of local currencies and rounding issues while all credit operations are done on integer afaik.

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by bradgessler »

perlgeek wrote: post #21
switch007 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but private networking solves that issue too.

But notice that private networking is more complex. If you want to reach non-public server, either you have to log in into a public server in the same network and then open another connection, or you need VRF routing (ouch!). With IPv6 you can just ssh into the box directly.

That's a lot of surface area you're exposing.

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by yanndinendal »

Tobu wrote: post #41
mz23in wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we can not store, but we also do not want to store this information (credit card) for our customers safety BUT, our bank does it for us, so you can now auto-credit your prepaid account using probe (no more credit, auto credit every month, ...)

By probe, you mean scripting? It sounds a bit complicated compared to a checkbox on the payment screen.

No, he meant that it makes it automated to add money to the prepaid from the CB when some conditions are reached. It is indeed just a simple process to register the card at the bank and configure the minimum amount before adding money.

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by quasque »

radimm wrote: post #18

Anybody has experience with Gandi VPS? Let's say compared to Linode or DigitalOcean?

This was a while ago, but Gandi disabled my account - with no warnings - for running a Tor node on one of my VPSes. I then had to send a copy of my passport to eventually get it reenabled. The frustrating thing was that they were also my domain registrar, so during that time I lost all access to my domains as well.

I transferred my domains away after that and decided it wasn't wise to mix services together due to this risk. So now I have domains with Tucows, DNS with Hurricane Electric and VPS with a provider that only does VPS. And I don't bother running Tor nodes any more.

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by fulafel »

bradgessler wrote: post #46
perlgeek wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But notice that private networking is more complex. If you want to reach non-public server, either you have to log in into a public server in the same network and then open another connection, or you need VRF routing (ouch!). With IPv6 you can just ssh into the box directly.

That's a lot of surface area you're exposing.

Yeah, this unfettered inter-networking sounds like a really bad idea. If only there was a way to control access besides fragmented addressing islands...

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by mz23in »

quasque wrote: post #48
radimm wrote: post #18

Anybody has experience with Gandi VPS? Let's say compared to Linode or DigitalOcean?

This was a while ago, but Gandi disabled my account - with no warnings - for running a Tor node on one of my VPSes. I then had to send a copy of my passport to eventually get it reenabled. The frustrating thing was that they were also my domain registrar, so during that time I lost all access to my domains as well. I transferred my domains away after that and decided it wasn't wise to mix services together due to thi…

Maybe not for running a Tor node, but Gandi may have received complaints about traffic on this node ?

Gandi allows any service to be run on its platform, abuse is not allowed as it isn't on other provider.

Thus, they must do the necessary legal operations according to the law, policies and their contract.

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