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Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by schoen »

VladRussian2 wrote: post #5
supergirl wrote: post #3

404 on all those links. am i doing it wrong?

or may be Great Firewall does it right :) Btw, can NSA splitters function as such as well? Or [selectively] replace real traffic with artificially generated one? (I mean pure splitter wouldn't, yet why it would be just a pure splitter? why limit themselves to read-only capabilities only? May sound like a new tin foil hat frontier for some ... yet i think we do need one at least as a guide post into the future as the…

http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/11/this-is-how-the-interne...

Apparently there are malicious servers that do active attacks against Internet users (with forged injected traffic). I've seen no indication that the servers that carry out these attacks are directly related to the splitters.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by dandelany »

r00fus wrote: post #16

Is it more, or do these leaks paint StratFor as something along the lines of a "conflict investment firm" on the lines of Richard Morgan's Market Forces [1]? Jacket cover description excerpt: "A coup in Cambodia. Guns to Guatemala. For the men and women of Shorn Associates, opportunity is calling. In the superheated global village of the near future, big money is made by finding the right little war and supporting on…

I haven't read the book, but I don't see how anyone who's done their research into Stratfor would think this. AFAIK they don't fund any conflicts or play an active role in any political events. Their business is information. They're discussing this as a profitable event because they expect people will want to know more about the event and will therefore subscribe. Tasteless? Absolutely. But that's about the extent of it.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by derrida »

hansjorg wrote: post #20
kid0m4n wrote: post #11

Oh, this is so classy: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=8402 Quote: Oh, they have enough weapons. Now the serious game begins as Reva pointed out. The investigation of the attack is not interesting. I suspect the findings have already been reached before the first investigator got to work. Now the question is how India responds. God willing, the Indian response will make us a lot of money. This after…

It's just business. Conflict is extremely profitable. Unfortunately, 164 people is a drop in a bucket in an ocean.

"It's just business."

Oh, it's ok then.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by monsterix »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #37
monsterix wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true! People who died in these five star hotels and their conference rooms were top notch entrepreneurs, executives AND ordinary people of India [1]. So 164 people who died is not just a drop in the ocean as you would like to believe here. [1] http://www.indianexpress.com/news/yes-bank-chairman-ashok-ka...

People who died in these five star hotels and their conference rooms were top notch entrepreneurs, executives AND ordinary people of India [1]. So 164 people who died is not just a drop in the ocean as you would like to believe here. Death of innocents is a tragedy whether they were an entrepreneur, an executive, or a janitor.

You're right. But when conflict is extremely profitable for some then the value of those who died and are going to die is already under material consideration within that justification.

On the parent comment 164 people sounded like a lame statistic, involuntarily generalizing everyone as "people who just died there" and this is usual business for others to profit from it.

I know what you're trying to say. Sure everyone innocent who died there was an equal human being and this tragedy should be left at that.

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monsterix wrote: post #44
sillysaurus2 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who died in these five star hotels and their conference rooms were top notch entrepreneurs, executives AND ordinary people of India [1]. So 164 people who died is not just a drop in the ocean as you would like to believe here. Death of innocents is a tragedy whether they were an entrepreneur, an executive, or a janitor.

You're right. But when conflict is extremely profitable for some then the value of those who died and are going to die is already under material consideration within that justification. On the parent comment 164 people sounded like a lame statistic, involuntarily generalizing everyone as "people who just died there" and this is usual business for others to profit from it. I know what you're trying to say. Sure everyo…

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Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by joshfraser »

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by smtddr »

dandelany wrote: post #40
grecy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These kinds of people need to be in prison, not the people exposing what they're doing.

What do you mean by "these kinds of people"? Greedy people? People who say things that are tasteless and mean? I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that. Please enlighten me re: the law they've broken, otherwise I hope you can see the inherent irony in your statement... edit: I'm not being ornery, I'm really actually curious what people think they should go to prison for. Tastelessness != criminality.

These people aren't just a group of kids on xboxLive making idle threats. They are making real plans and use their influence to make money at the cost of killing people. Conspiracy to commit murder for financial gain sounds like a good fit here. Or at least intent to indirectly end lives for money.

EDIT: Ouch, game over for me... I thought these email leaks involved government officials 'n such. If these are like reading the emails of FOXNews, then nevermind. They're bad people(IMHO), but can't jail 'em anymore than we can jail the people of stormfront.org

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by ihsw »

dmix wrote: post #9
icpmacdo wrote: post #6

Would it be a crime if I were to read one of the emails?

It may be a crime to link directly to a zip file containing the data in an IRC chat, as we saw with Barrett Brown [1]. That made me reconsider even posting this Wikileaks page to HN (yay chilling effect). But I'm not aware of any criminal law preventing you from reading published content on Wikileaks or submitting a link to them on a social media site. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_Brown

In the same vein, and according to leaked TPP documents (incidentally also leaked by WL), simply linking to infringing content would be grounds for forcing ISPs to notify you of your infringement and subsequently disconnect you.

It's certainly quite clear that submitting such links to social media services would permit retaliation against you.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by dandelany »

smtddr wrote: post #47
dandelany wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "these kinds of people"? Greedy people? People who say things that are tasteless and mean? I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that. Please enlighten me re: the law they've broken, otherwise I hope you can see the inherent irony in your statement... edit: I'm not being ornery, I'm really actually curious what people think they should go to prison for. Tastelessness != criminality.

These people aren't just a group of kids on xboxLive making idle threats. They are making real plans and use their influence to make money at the cost of killing people. Conspiracy to commit murder for financial gain sounds like a good fit here. Or at least intent to indirectly end lives for money. EDIT: Ouch, game over for me... I thought these email leaks involved government officials 'n such. If these are like rea…

Conspiracy to commit murder? What are you talking about? Do you even know what Stratfor is? They're a glorified news organization. They're no more involved in the Mumbai terror plot than CNN is. As I said, they stand to profit because people will want more information about these events, which they provide. The stuff about supplying weapons is clearly a (bad, stupid) offhanded joke.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by monsterix »

dandelany wrote: post #40
grecy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These kinds of people need to be in prison, not the people exposing what they're doing.

What do you mean by "these kinds of people"? Greedy people? People who say things that are tasteless and mean? I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that. Please enlighten me re: the law they've broken, otherwise I hope you can see the inherent irony in your statement... edit: I'm not being ornery, I'm really actually curious what people think they should go to prison for. Tastelessness != criminality.

> I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that.

Agreed. Unfortunately there is no recourse until a power center rises elsewhere. They say written history would have been very different in case Germany had won their war.

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