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The Anti-Addiction Pill That's Big Business For Drug Dealers

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Unfortunately Subutex/Suboxone come with it own set of problems:

Detox drug is Georgia's new habit - http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/12/world/europe/12iht-drug.19...

Suboxone: The New Drug Epidemic? - http://americannewsreport.com/nationalpainreport/suboxone-ne...

How a nation of junkies went cold turkey - http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113051/

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> Ten percent a day. Doctors won't tell you this because of the small chance you die--liability. Why taper that fast? What's the rush? Most people seem to assume that if a drug has a shorter half life it means you can taper off it faster, but I've never seen any evidence (albeit I'm not an expert) that the speed at which your neural chemistry can reset itself is at all correlated with the half life of the drug.

Its not fast if you consider its 10‰ of previous dose. As you approach zero dosage reductions get smaller. Rule of thumb I've seen is 30‰ every 4 days. Close enough.

OT, but note that ‰ means "per mille". So 10‰ is equivalent to 1%, not 10%.

Re: The Anti-Addiction Pill That's Big Business For Drug Dealers

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Only take bupenorpine if you are really addicted to heroine. Doctors who prescribe for opiate addiction are allowed only 100 patients. They(Doctors) will drag you in for needless expensive visits. I say only if you are really addicted to opiates, because I see people switching to this drug because they "think" they are addicted. The drug is not something you want to get addicted too. If you do end up on this drug, tr…

Delirium Tremens is no laughing matter. Most alcoholics won't get it when they go through withdrawal, but those that do will very likely die without medical treatment. With modern medical treatment, the death rate is 'merely' "5 to 15%" . I don't think most people treat alcoholism as seriously as it deserves; myself included.

As someone who recently went through DT's (been sober a year and a half) I can tell you for certain they are no laughing matter. I've done hallucinogenics like LSD and mushrooms before, but nothing prepared me for the nightmare of Delirium Tremens. I couldn't close my eyes because of the awful visual hallucinations that played out like a kaleidoscope from hell, each image a broken face in a box, grinning fiendishly. On top of that I had miserable auditory hallucinations that sounded like bad people whispering just out of earshot. I'd advise any heavy drinker who may be physically dependent to seek medical help and not try going cold turkey.

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post #35
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Delirium Tremens is no laughing matter. Most alcoholics won't get it when they go through withdrawal, but those that do will very likely die without medical treatment. With modern medical treatment, the death rate is 'merely' "5 to 15%" . I don't think most people treat alcoholism as seriously as it deserves; myself included.

Agreed in that few people treat it with the seriousness it deserves. In fact it's almost a joke for many people - "haha, I'm such an alcoholic" etc. I'm sure if they'd ever seen the real effects of alcoholism they'd think twice about throwing terms like that around. I drink a decent amount of beer and wine so I'm pretty far from tee-total, but misusing the term "alcoholism" bugs me a great deal.

In my case it started to become obviously serious when I woke up with the shakes and needed some to feel right and stop shaking. I didn't really take it that seriously before then.

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Only take bupenorpine if you are really addicted to heroine. Doctors who prescribe for opiate addiction are allowed only 100 patients. They(Doctors) will drag you in for needless expensive visits. I say only if you are really addicted to opiates, because I see people switching to this drug because they "think" they are addicted. The drug is not something you want to get addicted too. If you do end up on this drug, tr…

Addict in recovery. I'm glad I was never pigeonholed into Suboxone treatment. Once you are addicted its no better getting off of than Methadone: a month of withdrawals vs what could have been three days.

>This goes for Alcoholics too.

This is terrible advice, there are a million non-addictive anti-seizure meds you can be put on so you don't just fucking seize out while at the store. Gabapentin through sodium valproate. Benzos are just a replacement addiction, though, and are just as dangerous to kick.

Re: The Anti-Addiction Pill That's Big Business For Drug Dealers

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What about ibogaine? It's a naturally occurring substance and has been used to treat addictions for all sorts of hard recreational drugs. It's also the prime drug that's always mentioned when talking about breaking addictions. Hell, it has entire religious movements dedicated to it. It's the Lisp of drugs.

Naturally occurring means nothing. Opiates are naturally occurring too.

Re: The Anti-Addiction Pill That's Big Business For Drug Dealers

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Only take bupenorpine if you are really addicted to heroine. Doctors who prescribe for opiate addiction are allowed only 100 patients. They(Doctors) will drag you in for needless expensive visits. I say only if you are really addicted to opiates, because I see people switching to this drug because they "think" they are addicted. The drug is not something you want to get addicted too. If you do end up on this drug, tr…

Addict in recovery. I'm glad I was never pigeonholed into Suboxone treatment. Once you are addicted its no better getting off of than Methadone: a month of withdrawals vs what could have been three days. >This goes for Alcoholics too. This is terrible advice, there are a million non-addictive anti-seizure meds you can be put on so you don't just fucking seize out while at the store. Gabapentin through sodium valproat…

My withdrawals, every time I went through them (before I was truly ready to quit with the support of my family, and the addiction clinic here) lasted a lot more than 3 days.

:(

Part of me wishes I had been locked in a room and dealt with it. But the other part of me knows that Suboxone gave me the band-aid to let me heal the other problems in my life, to tackle my addiction in full -- to deal with my depression, to get a stable job and place of residence, etc. etc.

And it worked for me. It doesn't work for everyone. I'm tapering now, and it's not too bad thankfully. I'm lucky in that regard.

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