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Re: What happens when you're #1 on Hacker News for a day

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post #3

Really interesting read on how much interaction HN brings. There is a lot to be said for quality over quantity when it comes to page views. I believe you are wrong about dismissing that top comment in the other post as snarky, negative and useless. That comment has a lot of very useful information from someone who appears to have been doing the Thailand thing longer than you have. 1) Thai law was brought up a number…

> I believe you are wrong about dismissing that top comment in the other post as snarky, negative and useless.

Point of order here: he never used the word "useless". He also didn't dismiss the post for being negative (he said "I’m not against negative top comments per se but they should at least be factual").

> 1) Thai law was brought up a number of times and you do appear to be violating it. This is probably something that needs to be said.

You're definitely right at least in part: the law should be mentioned. People shouldn't be heading to Thailand without understanding the immigration laws beforehand.

But I don't think accusations that the author is violating the law need to be said. Unless the commenter is a lawyer who specializes in Thai immigration, he or she is simply not qualified to make that assessment. For all we know as readers, he could've unintentionally omitted or oversimplified parts of his above-the-board visa process.

> 2) You mention how cheap it is while he believes its more expensive, but you may have gotten a good deal or stayed in areas that others wouldn't want to.

The author explicitly mentions avoiding Bangkok in his article. The comment in question focused primarily on his experiences in Bangkok. The top commenter was calling him out on something the author agrees with and could've been avoided had the commenter read a bit more carefully.

> 3) He shares a number of anecdotes (sex workers, etc) that differ from your anecdotes. Thailand is a big place, you can both be right, and the more information the better.

Mere disagreement while providing anecdotes is fine and should be expected in a discussion forum. But that's not all the top commenter did. He couched his differing anecdotal experiences with snarky one-liners that imply the author had no idea what he was talking about:

> Before your pop your Macbook Air in a backpack, read my points.

> Yes, you can live in a concrete block with plastic furniture and eat noodles on the street every day.

> Once you're sick of your local noodle vendor you'll find food prices quite high as well.

> If you can stomach the local swill (think Budweiser without the quality control) knock yourself out.

> When you're sick of taking taxis and the BTS/MRT, have fun buying a car at 50% - 300% above US prices.

> If you really want to fake it here it means constantly traveling in and out of the country.

> To not do it properly means breaking the law in a country where you most likely don't speak the language. Have fun with that.

> If it's not someone you've known for a decade then, well, good luck with that.

Those sentences are snark: sarcastic and snide assertions that do little more than to point out how much the author doesn't know when compared to the commenter. They're not needed, or they could've been phrased much more neutrally, if the goal is merely to compare and contrast two expatriate experiences in Thailand. There were a number of commenters who did do that:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6541708

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6542114

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6540371

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6540640

I agree with the author's sentiment that it's a shame none of them rose higher than the top comment.

Re: What happens when you're #1 on Hacker News for a day

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post #30

I wrote http://gitignore.io and I saw a lot more traffic and traction by posting a link to my website in Reddit's /r/git than I did on Hacker News. Have you tried posting on different mediums and comparing the results?

Not yet, I'm finishing the launch version this week and will start posting it around then. Thanks for the tip :)

Cool, can't wait to see the results.

Re: What happens when you're #1 on Hacker News for a day

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's somewhat apt that a snarky, non-factual comment attacking the author like this has risen to the top once again. > One of the annoying parts of this article was that the author dismissed the comment as "non-factual" without providing any evidence or explanation. He didn't dismiss the comment as non-factual without providing any evidence or explanation. If read carefully, he: * stated the other commenters called i…

The original comment wasn't attacking the author, it was simply stating that while many people seemed excited at the prospect of flying off to Thailand (one person even emailed the author after booking tickets) that they should slow down and consider the expenses and lifestyle changes involved. His response was clearly intended to be humorous, but that doesn't mean that it was intended to reflect negatively on the au…

It didn't "simply state", it used snark to do so. The tone was awful and it wasn't necessary.

If it was simply stated, then it could have read something like this:

"Thailand has a number of issues, of which cost of loving is the main problem. Etc."

Re: What happens when you're #1 on Hacker News for a day

#45
post #3

Really interesting read on how much interaction HN brings. There is a lot to be said for quality over quantity when it comes to page views. I believe you are wrong about dismissing that top comment in the other post as snarky, negative and useless. That comment has a lot of very useful information from someone who appears to have been doing the Thailand thing longer than you have. 1) Thai law was brought up a number…

> I believe you are wrong about dismissing that top comment in the other post as snarky, negative and useless. Point of order here: he never used the word "useless". He also didn't dismiss the post for being negative (he said "I’m not against negative top comments per se but they should at least be factual"). > 1) Thai law was brought up a number of times and you do appear to be violating it. This is probably somethi…

Snark is one of the defenses we expats develop to deal with culture shock and/or adverse situations in our host country. I predict that the OP is an idealistic new comer while the top commenter is a grizzled old timer who is and will continue to be in Thailand for the long run (idealists barely last the year, at best two). I observe this happen in my host city (Beijing) often, I can tell who will last and who will just get the experience and leave soon.

Re: What happens when you're #1 on Hacker News for a day

#46
post #35

Hacker News is strange... Post that describe a product that was built in a weekend manage to reach #1 all the time, but when I submit my project that I've been working on for more than a month, everyone collectively ignores is, and it receives 0 upvotes.

IMO, a weekend and a month are in the same "not-very-long" range to me. It can often times be a crapshoot what's gets picked up and what doesn't.

Re: What happens when you're #1 on Hacker News for a day

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Front page for a day is not that hard, if you have something relevant and interesting. I think it is better to avoid direct description of your project, and choose unique scenario or good story. Also good idea is to run stress test on your site before.

I made it last year. I needed some feedback and early adopters, it was great to kick start small community. Also my project changed name and that post made it #1 result on Google in 3 weeks. There was handful of serious job offers as direct result of that post, last one 3 months latter.

It has been year since my last post on HN. My project is stable-enough, I have some pilot customers, and even made first profit this month. On other side I have only 50 twitter followers and no invitations to conferences. So I will probably hit HN again in a few weeks :-)

Re: What happens when you're #1 on Hacker News for a day

#48
post #35

Hacker News is strange... Post that describe a product that was built in a weekend manage to reach #1 all the time, but when I submit my project that I've been working on for more than a month, everyone collectively ignores is, and it receives 0 upvotes.

Join the party. Anyways, HN is probably not the best place to show off your project; these days its more about startup business, politics, and travel....a more refined reddit but not about hacking.

Re: What happens when you're #1 on Hacker News for a day

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post #35

Hacker News is strange... Post that describe a product that was built in a weekend manage to reach #1 all the time, but when I submit my project that I've been working on for more than a month, everyone collectively ignores is, and it receives 0 upvotes.

In a "weekend" peaks people's interest just like a 12 year old that raises money does.

My guess is that if you said "Look at what I built that took 15 years" that would peak people's interest.

Along those lines many things that appear on HN are really of the same quality as HN comments (just an opinion nothing particularly special) but since they appear as a post people focus on them and a discussion ensues and they get voted up more than the same exact thing appearing in a thread.

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