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Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by TomGullen »

nawitus wrote: post #31
rcconf wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much suffering am I going to reduce from a low carb vegan diet? How well does this diet work for someone like me who needs 3400 calories to build muscle? Unethical is a strange term of eating animal products. I don't think this "ethical" diet is going to work for me.

'How much suffering am I going to reduce from a low carb vegan diet?' I don't know. 'How well does this diet work for someone like me who needs 3400 calories to build muscle?' Well. 'Unethical is a strange term of eating animal products.' I don't find it strange to call the slaughter of animals and mistreatment of animals unethical.

Admittedly I do think it probably is unethical to eat animals.

However one thing I've always wanted to ask a vegetarian, these animals I'm eating would not exist without demand for them. So so long as I make more efforts to buy organic and well treated animals - is this still unethical? If I had a choice, be born as a chicken on an organic farm or not exist at all I'd definitely pick the chicken option.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by unoti »

cncool wrote: post #18
unoti wrote: post #3

Fat is not the enemy. Fat that you eat can be converted handily into energy. An overabundance of carbs is the enemy! It's hilarious to me that people who think nothing of downing a 48 oz Dr Pepper, then getting a refill, after a dinner featuring potatoes, pasta, and bread will thumb their nose at having a 12 oz glass of whole milk. Those carbs, especially when consumed late in the day, go straight into fat. The nutri…

"especially when consumed late in the day" That's a myth.

Wow, apparently so. Thanks for telling me about this!

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by TomGullen »

sparkie wrote: post #38
nawitus wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Eating lots of eggs, bacon, steak The problem with that is that the consumption of animal products is unethical. You should consider switching to a vegan low-carb diet to decrease suffering.

The consumption of plants is unethical, they're living organisms too!

Animals experience suffering and pain on a far more visceral level than spinach. To suggest otherwise is dishonest.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by Dewie »

sparkie wrote: post #38
nawitus wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Eating lots of eggs, bacon, steak The problem with that is that the consumption of animal products is unethical. You should consider switching to a vegan low-carb diet to decrease suffering.

The consumption of plants is unethical, they're living organisms too!

But less life will probably have to die in order to sate you if you're a vegan, if you add up the food that the livestock would have to eat (most of the calories that a herbivore animal will eat will not be translated into calories for the animal that is going to eat that herbivore; last I saw only 10% of the calories consumed carries over to the next animal).

Unless the livestock is grass-fed or something... I don't think anyone is that concerned with the life of grass.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by TomGullen »

elrzn wrote: post #32

Wow at the low-carb comments. Way to reject a dogma with another dogma. I have a daily intake of 400g of carbohydrates. According to you I'd be overwheight and dying of diabetes, cancer, metabolic syndrome and whatnot. Exercise daily, provide adequate protein intake and watch out the calories. That's it. No need to blame food but yourselves.

> According to you I'd be overwheight and dying of diabetes, cancer, metabolic syndrome and whatnot.

Nope, not sure where you get that idea from.

> Exercise daily, provide adequate protein intake and watch out the calories. That's it.

So I can eat a few chicken breasts a day, and then 1,500 kcal of mars bars? Sounds great!

Alternatively if you're trying to lose weight, you can simply cut out the sugar. Exercise is of course important for a host of reasons, but for weight loss it's probably just about the hardest way to do it. I'm in despair when my severely overweight friend relays the advice from her doctor and nutritionist:

"Eat less calories, and get on the treadmill".

Doesn't sound fun, or easy at all. There are other ways.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by Dewie »

elrzn wrote: post #32

Wow at the low-carb comments. Way to reject a dogma with another dogma. I have a daily intake of 400g of carbohydrates. According to you I'd be overwheight and dying of diabetes, cancer, metabolic syndrome and whatnot. Exercise daily, provide adequate protein intake and watch out the calories. That's it. No need to blame food but yourselves.

It's not dogma if it actually works for them (though it might be dogma if they are very insistent that it definitely will work for everyone).

> Exercise daily, provide adequate protein intake and watch out the calories. That's it. No need to blame food but yourselves.

That sounds like a nice middle ground, but there's no reason to take a middle ground if something more radical works better for you.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by pasbesoin »

The People's Pharmacy (well regarded U.S. public radio show):

Show 895 The Great Cholesterol Myth

http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2013/03/09/895-the-great-chol...

Further recent discussion on Wisconsin Public Radio:

http://www.wpr.org/shows/peoples-pharmacy-special-pledge-dri...

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by Dewie »

TomGullen wrote: post #46
elrzn wrote: post #32

Wow at the low-carb comments. Way to reject a dogma with another dogma. I have a daily intake of 400g of carbohydrates. According to you I'd be overwheight and dying of diabetes, cancer, metabolic syndrome and whatnot. Exercise daily, provide adequate protein intake and watch out the calories. That's it. No need to blame food but yourselves.

> According to you I'd be overwheight and dying of diabetes, cancer, metabolic syndrome and whatnot. Nope, not sure where you get that idea from. > Exercise daily, provide adequate protein intake and watch out the calories. That's it. So I can eat a few chicken breasts a day, and then 1,500 kcal of mars bars? Sounds great! Alternatively if you're trying to lose weight, you can simply cut out the sugar. Exercise is of…

> Doesn't sound fun, or easy at all. There are other ways.

You'd think, with the title of this webpage, that most would be interested in ways of elegantly and easily solving problems that are important to themselves. But it seems that the constant chanting of no pain no gain has left a lot of people with the conviction that, when it comes to health, things should not be easy nor simple.

Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma

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Post by jquery »

StacyC wrote: post #7

My wife and I have been on a very low carb / high fat diet for the last 4 months, and we have never felt better. Eating lots of eggs, bacon, steak, butter, some veggies and fruit. We both lost weight too. Also cut out processed food, sugar and grains — bread, pasta, rice, cereal — basically a ketogenic diet, which adapts the body to burning fat more readily. We both have also noticed that we just feel more mental cla…

You probably feel better because you've lost weight. You could be eating nothing but Oreos and probably feel better after losing weight. Your blood panel would improve too.

I've been losing weight through simple calorie tracking. When I hit my daily limit I stop eating. I eat whatever I want. I've lost 22 pounds and feel great.

EDIT: Here's a nutritionist who improved his health markers eating nothing but junk food - http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

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