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Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming he is flying to Hawaii, that would set him back at least $600. That's 12% of his yearly budget. Not to mention the fact that actually living in Hawaii is not cheap, and the article said he does this all winter.

It's not too expensive for Mr. Money Moustache: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/12/15/high-cost-of-livin...

MMM is postmodern art. He goes to huge contortions to pretend that he doesn't work for his living as a blogger and handyman.

Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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Money only gives you options, even if it's other peoples' money manifested in the resources of the State via taxation and public spending. First world problems/opportunities . . . the underlying story here is that nearly none of this is possible without a well funded and run state. Riding 4500 miles across country, collecting sponsorships, going to a strangers house from CL for a fan. . . all speaks to road, police a…

Agree. I have friends who have lived this lifestyle for a long time in the U.S. and Europe, and you just can't live the same way here in Brazil, for example. This freegan stuff just doesn't work here. My friends squatted in the U.S. and ate fresh food from dumpsters. Here, the squatters are really poor people or crack addicts. Here, there's hardly any good food thrown out, and it is all quickly scavenged by really hungry homeless people. And my U.S. friends say they are anarchists. Sorry, you can only live like this in the U.S. because of the stability and prosperity that is around you.

Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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Look at all the comments: 'BUM & DEAD BEAT DAD', 'a healthy young guy with potential who turned into a bum', 'He's a bum and a freeloader' , ', 'Another bum allowing the state to raise his kids.', 'Yes, another worthless bum who the country would be better off without', 'A leach on society who should have died years ago', 'It is bums like this that the rest of us working people are supporting', 'Definitely bi-polar,…

He does not seem to be a freeloader and I agree that it's silly to ascribe outcomes based on someone's perceived potential, but it does appear that the guy left his wife and kids. That's an asshole move in my book regardless of how much of a beautiful snowflake you might turn out to be. It is unclear to me how he helped support his children as he pursued his unique lifestyle. If he did support his children in a way t…

In sum: "dead beat" isn't just an insult. It refers very specifically to a father who does not support his children, which this guy appears to be doing.

Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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This article is full of fabrication. The girl claims to live on $1000 a month in NYC, and she only pays $135 a week for an extra room in a crap neighborhood. Leaving her, with $540 to live on... In NYC, for 30 days. Now, I'm sure this is possible, but she is sitting there on a macbook. Welp, there goes your budget for the entire year! And this article claims less is making these people happier. Not really, and they a…

I don't know about the OWS and NYC kids, but I highly doubt Dan Price (the guy at the top living in a hobbit hole) is on welfare. When I formerly lived in a tent in West Virginia, I knew lots of people who lived in similar "intentional poverty". Many of these people had seasonal jobs. Where I worked as a whitewater rafting guide. None of us had to pay for housing beyond just having a tent because we set up on the lan…

"At either end of the social spectrum there lies a leisure class."

-- Eric Beck

Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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This article is full of fabrication. The girl claims to live on $1000 a month in NYC, and she only pays $135 a week for an extra room in a crap neighborhood. Leaving her, with $540 to live on... In NYC, for 30 days. Now, I'm sure this is possible, but she is sitting there on a macbook. Welp, there goes your budget for the entire year! And this article claims less is making these people happier. Not really, and they a…

A strong accusation with little to base it on. MacBook Air? Bottom end refurbished model costs $900. That's a dollar a day for 2.5 years; in NY you can recycle soda cans for $0.05/each, so 20 found cans a day keeps her tolerably up to date. There's enough free wifi around to manage connectivity. Extreme frugality is viable if you put your mind to it. Our advertising-driven culture is guilty of making most think it is…

I concur. I'm 25, and the most money I've ever made in a year is less than $6,000. I've still managed to travel the country and live with not much strife. Once you're comfortable with completely disregarding all the bullshit that people in America think they need to be comfortable you're free to do whatever you want. I have no intention of attempting to change this situation because I'm genuinely happy with it.

EDIT:I'm also not on any form of welfare or food stamps or the like. I live entirely without state assistance, happily.

Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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Many bright, independently minded people go through rebellious phases as they ascend into adulthood.

"Why must I adhere to society's unwritten rules? I'm better than that. I'll never join the bourgeoisie!"

Those were my sentiments in my early 20's. But I was being rebellious for the sake of being rebellious. It was a knee-jerk coping mechanism, not the articulation of well-reasoned philosophy.

I was very immature. As if I would commit my life to forgoing and perhaps even scorning the richness borne of productivity in favor of squaller! Why would I want to punish myself in such a way?

I believe the same holds true for many people like the subjects of this article. They are bright people, but the messages they articulate about society and its inequities and injustices are riddled with serious contradictions.

You can be an empathetic, generous, and extraordinarily charitable human being without imposing poverty on yourself.

Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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post #37

I'm sure I could subsist on a very minimal salary. But what would I be left doing? I enjoy traveling, I enjoy playing several musical instruments, I enjoy owning a reasonable computer (granted, my main laptop is a $300 eBay find), I enjoy eating interesting food, I enjoy buying books, I enjoy doing fun things with friends. And I wish I worked less so I could do all of the above a lot more. Sure, I could compromise on…

The more pleasures you have the more masters you serve.

Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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post #47
post #37

I'm sure I could subsist on a very minimal salary. But what would I be left doing? I enjoy traveling, I enjoy playing several musical instruments, I enjoy owning a reasonable computer (granted, my main laptop is a $300 eBay find), I enjoy eating interesting food, I enjoy buying books, I enjoy doing fun things with friends. And I wish I worked less so I could do all of the above a lot more. Sure, I could compromise on…

The more pleasures you have the more masters you serve.

The connotation of that is flipped by its corollary: the less masters you serve, the less pleasures you have.

Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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The article kindly submitted here reports: "More than two decades ago, then-33-year-old Dan Price had a wife, two small children, a high-interest mortgage, and a stressful job as a photojournalist in Kentucky. He worried daily about money and the workaday grind." Then the article follows up on what Price thinks about his life after he read the book Payne Hollow and his marriage broke up. "'I like being able to do wha…

We don't know the situation, but, if the entire family moved to Oregon, and, he sold his 6 bedroom house in KY, there may have been a decent amount of equity transferred into either a new house, or, turned into cash; so for all we know, he let her have the mostly-paid-off house and walked away.

Remember, he doesn't tell you what he makes a year, just what he needs to make to survive.

Re: Living on $5,000 a year, on purpose: Meet America's 'intentional poor'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A strong accusation with little to base it on. MacBook Air? Bottom end refurbished model costs $900. That's a dollar a day for 2.5 years; in NY you can recycle soda cans for $0.05/each, so 20 found cans a day keeps her tolerably up to date. There's enough free wifi around to manage connectivity. Extreme frugality is viable if you put your mind to it. Our advertising-driven culture is guilty of making most think it is…

I concur. I'm 25, and the most money I've ever made in a year is less than $6,000. I've still managed to travel the country and live with not much strife. Once you're comfortable with completely disregarding all the bullshit that people in America think they need to be comfortable you're free to do whatever you want. I have no intention of attempting to change this situation because I'm genuinely happy with it. EDIT:…

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