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E-ZPasses Get Read All Over New York (Not Just At Toll Booths)

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Re: E-ZPasses Get Read All Over New York (Not Just At Toll Booths)

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Post by diminoten »

PavlovsCat wrote: post #20
diminoten wrote: post #15

Yet again, we arrive at a, "could" story, and not a "does" story. The NSA "could" have you arrested for a crime you didn't commit by sharing intel it's collected about you! The NYPD "could" use your E-ZPass to track your movements through NYC! Google "could" access your Wi-Fi password as it's synced from your Android device! I think people forget sometimes that 1984 was a work of fiction, and never actually happened.

I think people forget sometimes that 1984 was a work of fiction, and never actually happened. I don't think it's fiction, and I think it had happened before it was written even. There are still bugs of course, but those are being worked out as we speak.

1984 was a work of fiction, that is undebatable. It did not happen. It's not based in reality whatsoever, and there is no indication that anything written in the novel logically carries from anything else written in the novel. Things happen in 1984 because it makes for a good story, not because that's what would happen next.

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Post by diminoten »

Zikes wrote: post #17
diminoten wrote: post #15

Yet again, we arrive at a, "could" story, and not a "does" story. The NSA "could" have you arrested for a crime you didn't commit by sharing intel it's collected about you! The NYPD "could" use your E-ZPass to track your movements through NYC! Google "could" access your Wi-Fi password as it's synced from your Android device! I think people forget sometimes that 1984 was a work of fiction, and never actually happened.

The FBI "could" track your movements via cell phone data. The FBI "could" then provide that data to the DEA to help make an arrest. The NSA "could" keep a log of everyone you ever call or who calls you. Not that we should have ever cared about those possibilities until they came to light, leaving us scrambling to cope with the consequences and attempt to repair the damage after the fact.

Arrests are allowed to happen to innocent people. Arrests aren't convictions, convictions are.

People still get trials. They still get due process. If the DEA/FBI can't provide evidence to the state/federal prosecutor such that a person is found guilty of a crime by a jury of his peers, then a person does not get convicted.

You're saying the government is committing thought-crime. Just because a person owns a gun doesn't mean they're going to kill their neighbor, and just because the FBI/CIA/NSA/Local PD "could" abuse its power, does not mean they "do".

Re: E-ZPasses Get Read All Over New York (Not Just At Toll Booths)

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Post by refurb »

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #29

As many have stated, this isn't news. There are all sorts of good and proper uses of toll-tags that aren't collecting tolls. There has never been any effort to hide that, nor should there be. The thing I have always been disturbed by WRT toll-tags is that toll-collecting entities flatly refuse to sell one that isn't attached to a person or a vehicle. There are opportunities for profit that have been ignored[1], and I…

The reason they link a tag to a car is because fees vary by vehicle type (number of axles). If the tags weren't linked to a vehicle, a commercial truck driver could simply buy a tag for a car and pay a whole lot less in tolls.

Re: E-ZPasses Get Read All Over New York (Not Just At Toll Booths)

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Post by diminoten »

forgotAgain wrote: post #37

I have to disagree with those who say this isn't news. It was news to me and will, I believe, be news to most others as well. The only time before this that I heard about using EZ pass for anything other than tolls was a few years ago when I read about some feasibility work on the concept of traffic flow optimization being done around Ithaca, NY. I do wonder why they haven't been used yet to track speeding violations…

Why are you against having your car tracked? You're in public, aren't you? Why do you think you have a right to privacy in public?

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Post by loganfrederick »

Little-known, but publicly available, information: The EZ-Pass was originally developed by JPMorgan Chase (my employer) for use with a different client.

Just last month, JPMC announced that its patent collection had reached 500, with our patent on EZ-Pass being one of our most successful, and something we still receive licensing fees on.

https://www.jpmorgan.com/cm/cs?pagename=JPM_redesign/JPM_Con...

Re: E-ZPasses Get Read All Over New York (Not Just At Toll Booths)

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Post by oakwhiz »

forgotAgain wrote: post #37

I have to disagree with those who say this isn't news. It was news to me and will, I believe, be news to most others as well. The only time before this that I heard about using EZ pass for anything other than tolls was a few years ago when I read about some feasibility work on the concept of traffic flow optimization being done around Ithaca, NY. I do wonder why they haven't been used yet to track speeding violations…

Not all antistatic bags seem to block RF. You might want to double check yours, or consider upgrading to tinfoil.

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Post by ChuckMcM »

diminoten wrote: post #44
forgotAgain wrote: post #37

I have to disagree with those who say this isn't news. It was news to me and will, I believe, be news to most others as well. The only time before this that I heard about using EZ pass for anything other than tolls was a few years ago when I read about some feasibility work on the concept of traffic flow optimization being done around Ithaca, NY. I do wonder why they haven't been used yet to track speeding violations…

Why are you against having your car tracked? You're in public, aren't you? Why do you think you have a right to privacy in public?

Can we just not go there? There is a qualitative difference between "being in public" and "being recorded while in public" and "being recorded in public over an extended period of time."

You take a picture on the beach and catch me in the frame, I'm totally fine with that, you take pictures of that beach every day for a year and then put IDs on every 'face' so that you've got a history of everyone who has been to the beach, I'm much less comfortable with that, you create an API so that someone can send you a picture of a face and you will give them the history of that face at the beach for the last 12 months, I've got a huge problem with that.

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Post by newman314 »

diminoten wrote: post #44
forgotAgain wrote: post #37

I have to disagree with those who say this isn't news. It was news to me and will, I believe, be news to most others as well. The only time before this that I heard about using EZ pass for anything other than tolls was a few years ago when I read about some feasibility work on the concept of traffic flow optimization being done around Ithaca, NY. I do wonder why they haven't been used yet to track speeding violations…

Why are you against having your car tracked? You're in public, aren't you? Why do you think you have a right to privacy in public?

Why not? Do you walk around naked at all times?

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Post by RHSeeger »

diminoten wrote: post #42
Zikes wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FBI "could" track your movements via cell phone data. The FBI "could" then provide that data to the DEA to help make an arrest. The NSA "could" keep a log of everyone you ever call or who calls you. Not that we should have ever cared about those possibilities until they came to light, leaving us scrambling to cope with the consequences and attempt to repair the damage after the fact.

Arrests are allowed to happen to innocent people. Arrests aren't convictions, convictions are. People still get trials. They still get due process. If the DEA/FBI can't provide evidence to the state/federal prosecutor such that a person is found guilty of a crime by a jury of his peers, then a person does not get convicted. You're saying the government is committing thought-crime. Just because a person owns a gun doe…

Of course, the recent revelations that they "do" does mean they "do".

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Post by stcredzero »

oakwhiz wrote: post #46
forgotAgain wrote: post #37

I have to disagree with those who say this isn't news. It was news to me and will, I believe, be news to most others as well. The only time before this that I heard about using EZ pass for anything other than tolls was a few years ago when I read about some feasibility work on the concept of traffic flow optimization being done around Ithaca, NY. I do wonder why they haven't been used yet to track speeding violations…

Not all antistatic bags seem to block RF. You might want to double check yours, or consider upgrading to tinfoil.

...consider upgrading to tinfoil.

Hearing this is almost never a sign for optimism.

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