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Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

#41

I wonder whether the total numbers are significantly lower on the weekends - i.e. if there's a selection bias going on for people who choose to use the internet.

It's probably how Net Apps manages to still get such high numbers of IE market share (they measure browser "usage"), when I think it's pretty obvious Chrome, and then Firefox are the most popular browser choices. But since a lot of people use IE continuously for work, that could raise "browser usage" a lot.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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post #30

Please retitle to "30-40% of IE users use older versions of Internet Explorer by choice." [derp. updated the numbers because I was being stupid, but the point still stands]

It won't account for the whole 30-40% but some people work on weekends. I work at a hospital where there are probably thousands of people using IE8 every weekend.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

#43

The words "older", "versions" and "of" are superfluous.

I use (mobile) IE voluntarily because it's the only browser on my preferred mobile platform. I have no complaints, it works as well for me as Chrome on my Android phone or Safari on iOS devices I've used.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

#44
post #29

The title needs an asterisk. Because I unfortunately have the privilege of knowing an older gentleman that purposely uses IE6 on Windows XP. He calls the concept of tabs useless rubbish. And I'm not talking a regular consumer, I'm talking someone who develops actual software.

Bollocks. It doesn't need an asterisk. It has a graph that proves your point! The graph doesn't show IE8/9 use going to 0% on the weekends. In fact, it clearly shows about 35% of IE users still cling onto older versions during the weekends.

Or.. 35% of IE users work during the weekend.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

#45

And from a startup point of view, legacy IE means Enterprises, Enterprise means big price tags: 1) Because they are Enterprises. 2) Because nobody wants to support those browsers. If you think it's a declining market that'll be dead in 18 months, we have contracts to support IE 6 until 2019, not to mention 7 and 8.

One of my last jobs was at an agency that handled the digital account for a very large airport in the UK. They get a lot of traffic, and quite a high percentage of users using legacy browsers, probably from businesses looking up flight info and trying to book stuff.

I can't remember how high it was, but let's say it was around 10%. We were told that we had to support all the way down to IE6. To do so, we raised our prices, almost constantly during that project, and they happily paid it. At that level, an agency can change thousands for legacy browser support, and the client will happily pay, because in their mind that 10% will spend far more money than what we can charge.

With that in mind, that's how I view browser specifications today. For clients with an existing website, I check what percentage of their users use legacy browsers, and work out with them whether the cost of supporting these users against the potential benefit. A lot of developers and agencies simply won't do this because they either can't or won't find a solution for legacy browsers.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

#46
I once worked for an organization that had a handful of small customers holding on to older browsers and operating systems. They represented But this was a government-contracted non-profit and it couldn't just write them off as customers. So the organization decided it would be cheaper to help these customers upgrade their legacy operating system, browser and enterprise apps then to continue to try and remain reasonably compliant with their browser.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

#47
post #40

And from a startup point of view, legacy IE means Enterprises, Enterprise means big price tags: 1) Because they are Enterprises. 2) Because nobody wants to support those browsers. If you think it's a declining market that'll be dead in 18 months, we have contracts to support IE 6 until 2019, not to mention 7 and 8.

What business are you in? If you're going to support IE6 until 2019, which probably runs Javascript 200 times slower than IE10, your software is going to be very limited. Once your competitions builds a better mousetrap, sends in their sales team then explains that all your customers need to do is install Chrome, it might get a little ugly.

they might have multiple versions, with modern faster versions and a scaled back IE6/XP version.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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post #34

And from a startup point of view, legacy IE means Enterprises, Enterprise means big price tags: 1) Because they are Enterprises. 2) Because nobody wants to support those browsers. If you think it's a declining market that'll be dead in 18 months, we have contracts to support IE 6 until 2019, not to mention 7 and 8.

Enterprise also means six-month sales cycles, finding salespeople with good Rolodexes, endless awful meetings needed to sync up five different departments, and a diminished ability to turn technical superiority into paying customers. There's a ton of money there, but you need to build the right organization. Some companies will find it easier to sell to smaller businesses.

Sure -- but if you're happy being an employee, not a founder, the $$$ is great.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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post #25

I think a lot of people just don't know enough to upgrade their browser - I see people using IE9 at work even though we are allowed to install whatever software we want... IE really needs silent auto-update, and to actually release more often...

If you think this, then you don't understand enterprises. The vast majority of users you will encounter, even in their 60's, are aware, through friends, kids, family, etc that this "Google Chrome thing makes the internet faster". They want it, but your typical large enterprise foces IE down their throats, courtesy of 20+ years of rape by the legions of IT guys who, through the cognitive dissonance inducing Microsoft…

> FYI: Most people working in the Pentagon are forced to use IE8

And in a different DoD office a few miles away, IE7. :(

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

#50

The words "older", "versions" and "of" are superfluous.

I don't understand when geeks insult other people who like Microsoft Windows or IE. I get it if you don't like the browser, I get it if you HATE the browser, but to actually insult the users of that browser is just ignorant.

Where's the insult? jackgavigan is actually being charitable toward those using the new version.
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