Chromecast update breaks AllCast • Hacker News Board

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

#41

Post by thezilch » Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 4:17 PM UTC

ihsw wrote: post #39

tylerkahn wrote: post #11

https://developers.google.com/cast/release-notes > Warning: The current Google Cast SDK is a preview SDK intended for development and testing purposes only, not for production apps. Google may change this SDK significantly prior to the official release of the Google Cast SDK. We strongly recommend that you do not publicly distribute any application using this preview SDK, as this preview SDK will no longer be support…

In the future, when video playback isn't restored and Google makes a public admission that they don't intend on restoring it, would you mind if I remind you of how you were naive and foolish? When Google's next hardware product comes out, can we stop thanking them and instead point out how they have a history of releasing products that give users no control over what runs on them? Google has far more technical expert…

Entitled much? What obligations does Google have here, exactly?

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by badman_ting » Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 4:20 PM UTC

It's not so much that I mind Google doing this, as I wish people would stop pretending that Google is somehow more "open" or different from other companies that restrict the functionality of their devices in similar ways.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by anxiousest » Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 4:21 PM UTC

ihsw wrote: post #39

tylerkahn wrote: post #11

https://developers.google.com/cast/release-notes > Warning: The current Google Cast SDK is a preview SDK intended for development and testing purposes only, not for production apps. Google may change this SDK significantly prior to the official release of the Google Cast SDK. We strongly recommend that you do not publicly distribute any application using this preview SDK, as this preview SDK will no longer be support…

In the future, when video playback isn't restored and Google makes a public admission that they don't intend on restoring it, would you mind if I remind you of how you were naive and foolish? When Google's next hardware product comes out, can we stop thanking them and instead point out how they have a history of releasing products that give users no control over what runs on them? Google has far more technical expert…

Only if you don't mind to be reminded of your own foolishness when similar functionality is enabled through SDK.

I don't understand this animosity towards Google, it's like every little change to the status quo triggers a hate-fest here on HN accompanied with wild accusations (only to be debunked soon after). They pushed a system update that broke undocumented APIs, they could be patching a security vulnerability for all you know, there is no need to commence spreading FUD about some other unrelated initiative.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by angryasian » Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 4:24 PM UTC

themstheones wrote: post #23

jlgreco wrote: post #13

If I were somebody with a Chromebook that still had ChromeOS installed, I would be very very concerned right now. If you don't control your device's software updates, then the device is not yours. It is as simple as that.

It's the same with android. They made adblock stop working several times, slowly tightening restrictions on it. And OS updates remove root, which will break a slew of apps. It doesn't feel like your device unless you install something like CM.

removing root is because of possibly binary incompatibility. System updates from Google or manf need to be in a consistent state to ensure a proper upgrade. They don't know what you did to your phone.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by fluidcruft » Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 4:24 PM UTC

YeahKIA wrote: post #24

jlgreco wrote: post #13

If I were somebody with a Chromebook that still had ChromeOS installed, I would be very very concerned right now. If you don't control your device's software updates, then the device is not yours. It is as simple as that.

What do you expect from Google? I have rapidly lost respect for this company in last couple of years.

Is it sad that I'm starting to wish Microsoft could pull itself out of the trash can and kick Google in the ass a bit?

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by angryasian » Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 4:26 PM UTC

Everyone wants to blame google, but because Chromecast requires a functional HDCP link... its probably more due to content providers.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by nutanc » Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 4:28 PM UTC

tylerkahn wrote: post #11

https://developers.google.com/cast/release-notes > Warning: The current Google Cast SDK is a preview SDK intended for development and testing purposes only, not for production apps. Google may change this SDK significantly prior to the official release of the Google Cast SDK. We strongly recommend that you do not publicly distribute any application using this preview SDK, as this preview SDK will no longer be support…

He was not using the SDK. Google went back into their code and changed it just to break an app built by a developer. And, to be fair, Koushik, just alerted people who were planning on buying chromecast because of his app to hold on as his app may never be white listed.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by munificent » Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 4:28 PM UTC

jlgreco wrote: post #32

smtddr wrote: post #21

Well, I don't agree with what Google is doing assuming it's intentional. But, 1)It's $35. I spend more than that on a week's worth of lunch. 2)I bet cyanogenmod will make an appearance. I'm just buying Chromecast for the hardware.

There is always going to be a cost comparison that can be used to belittle something. The classic is "less than x days of coffee." Next step up is apparently "less than x days of lunch." What is the next one, "less than your car insurance" perhaps? $50,000? That is less than some cars cost! $100,000,000? That is somewhere around ten shuttle launches ! A several billion dollar shuttle program? Please , just check out…

This is your friendly reminder that slippery slope is a logical fallacy.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by burntsushi » Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 4:29 PM UTC

thezilch wrote: post #41

ihsw wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the future, when video playback isn't restored and Google makes a public admission that they don't intend on restoring it, would you mind if I remind you of how you were naive and foolish? When Google's next hardware product comes out, can we stop thanking them and instead point out how they have a history of releasing products that give users no control over what runs on them? Google has far more technical expert…

Entitled much? What obligations does Google have here, exactly?

Huh? The GP comment never mentioned or implied the word "obligation".

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by fluidcruft » Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 4:35 PM UTC

cygwin98 wrote: post #2

Is the new motto being Do Evil ?

No, since everyone finds out what words mean by Googling them, they'll just adapt the meaning of "evil" as necessary.