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Re: Vasili Arkhipov

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Great story, but not really tech related

From the Guidelines [1]: On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. [1] http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

That basically translates to "any off-topic shit that the community and mods will tolerate". Shame on them.

Re: Vasili Arkhipov

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Interesting tidbit: when I describe my Soviet and early post-Soviet childhood to Americans, Americans of my age are surprised that their fears of Soviet nuclear attack, civil defense training ("duck and cover"), were not unique. "Whoa, you thought we were going to nuke you?! We thought you were going to nuke us." A popular (not very politically correct by US standards!) Soviet joke of this time conveyed the cynicism around the idea that once a nuclear war began, humanity would have any hope--

Armenian Radio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Yerevan_jokes) was asked: "what do to if a nuclear attack is imminent?"

Armenian Radio responded: "wrap yourself in a linen sheet and slowly, in organized fashion, without creating any panic, crawl to a cemetery."

To paraphrase War Games (a classic which I watched only after coming to the US), the winning move is not to play."

Re: Vasili Arkhipov

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"Three officers on board the submarine [...] were authorized to launch the torpedo if agreeing unanimously in favor of doing so. An argument broke out among the three, in which only Arkhipov was against the launch."

Opportunity for a playwright to write a really tight two scene piece there. Doubt if we could get it up to 50,000 words[1] even if we did the 'follow three scenarios with multiple endings' trick, and even if we had the Bobby Kennedy/LBJ dynamic in the committee going.

Edit: The K-19 'incident' would have made a major psychological impression on anyone, even allowing for the high threshold that I imagine Soviet navy commanders of that era had.[2]

[1] http://nanowrimo.org/

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-19

Re: Vasili Arkhipov

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Great story, but not really tech related

No, not directly, but don't you just like 'hacking' the possible futures that could have arisen from that discussion among the three men in a tin can? Games theoretic approaches to what they could have known under the sea with failing air supplies?

Re: Vasili Arkhipov

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup in 1983. Thanks to both of them. Petrov is still alive, so you can send him a Hallmark card if you're over 30 and glad to be alive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

Do you have his address?

The thread is two years old, but it is a start. Let me know if you have any luck. BTW, someone in the Reddit thread points out that cash sent through the mail _will_ be stolen, so if anyone wanted to send him money, we'd have to me more clever about it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dkear/can_anyone_...

Re: Vasili Arkhipov

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the Guidelines [1]: On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. [1] http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

That basically translates to "any off-topic shit that the community and mods will tolerate". Shame on them.

It can't be off-topic shit if it is within the topic guidelines set by the site, by definition. You could always go away and run your own site if you think the attitude of the mods and community here are worthy of shame.

Re: Vasili Arkhipov

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post #41
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the Guidelines [1]: On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. [1] http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

That basically translates to "any off-topic shit that the community and mods will tolerate". Shame on them.

This is pg's playground. You can play by his rules, or play elsewhere.

The best way of playing by hos rules is creating content that we would find interesting. It's a lot more fun than whining for everyone.

Re: Vasili Arkhipov

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I was lucky enough to learn about this in high school - Andover. I forget the speakers name but he gave the speech between 2001 - 2005 (I can't remember). It was an incredible speech about Mutually Assured Destruction and how the theory was absurd. The speaker pointed out that no one thought that we would exit the Cold War without a horrible war. And then he asked, "Why did this not happen?" He pointed to Vasili's ex…

> At the moment I thought it was cheesy... but here I am more than 10 years later and I still remember it.

Incidentally, I think that's what good parenting looks like.

Re: Vasili Arkhipov

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"Three officers on board the submarine [...] were authorized to launch the torpedo if agreeing unanimously in favor of doing so. An argument broke out among the three, in which only Arkhipov was against the launch." Opportunity for a playwright to write a really tight two scene piece there. Doubt if we could get it up to 50,000 words[1] even if we did the 'follow three scenarios with multiple endings' trick, and even…

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB75/

Has the charts, photos, signals and some wonderfully unreliable reminiscences by crew members. (edit link has gone hence reply to my own post).

Re: Vasili Arkhipov

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An essay in the book What Ifs? of American History (Robert Cowley, ed.) by Robert L. O'Connell, "The Cuban Missile Crisis: Second Holocaust," details what might have happened if Arkhipov had not been successful and the Randolph had in fact been hit by a nuclear torpedo.

In the aftermath, the U.S. military executes air strikes on Cuba followed by an invasion. The Soviet forces obliterate Guantanamo with a nuclear strike, send nuclear cruise missiles at the incoming invasion force,and, most seriously, manage to launch two of the SS-4 missiles...one of which hits Washington D.C. and wipes out the entire National Command Authority. In response, U.S. forces execute the entire SIOP against the Soviet Union, an effort which gives "overkill" a new name.

The aftermath of "The Two Days' War" includes the near-extermination of the Soviet Union, radiation issues in large parts of the world, and a "nuclear twilight" causing worldwide food shortages and famine. Ultimately, the United States was viewed as the aggressor by the rest of the world, compounded by the actions of President Richard Nixon (elected in 1964, replacing Acting President John McCormack). The U.S. stood alone in refusing to join the Geneva Convention for the Abolition of Nuclear Armaments in 1966, and renounced UN membership in 1968, ordering the organization out of New York City. The American public felt Nixon had taken the wrong turn, and elected Eugene McCarthy to succeed him in 1972.

The essay is written as the report of an investigative commission written in 1972 and finally declassified in 2002, in part by the actions of U.S. Archivist Newton Leroy Gingrich (who never went into politics in this timeline) at the New Capital District in Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado.

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