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SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it

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Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it

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Why not get straight to the point and call every crime a terrorist act? Then we can have the America that Obama really wants...one where he can order anybody's murder or infinite detention at any time for any reason.

The 1980s solution to drug use in the US was simply to lock more people up longer and give local and federal law enforcement more money. This was the same response after September 11th. More laws, more money, more power.

Today we can see the results: "Police" armed with assault rifles patrol streets. Surprise visits at night by men armed with fully automatic firearms and large caliber sniper rifles is not considered abnormal. Most recently we now know all of our communications are monitored, as are our whereabouts past and present.

It would make a good science fiction movie, except the genre would be a documentary.

Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it

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Because that's what the courts want very badly , at least as of the '80s. Several rounds of the solidly Democratic legislature passing "this time we mean it!" laws and the courts judicially nullifying as much as they could. In one case I "watched" by reading the Boston Globe as it was tried, a man was sent to prison because he wasn't willing to leave his sleep daughter to the tender mercies of an home invader. Too ma…

In the 80s? It's 2013, man, get with the times and start ripping on Chicago. In this decade, I'd go to the anecdote from WI last year of the dude who, upon a high school party being broken up by the cops next door, shot a kid hiding from the cops on his porch and wasn't charged.

I think he was referencing the events of the 80s because there was such a backlash to it that it led directly to events like you describe. The middle ground is dead.

Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it

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Can it be any clearer that he's going against the will of the people? If you have to keep resurrecting laws that have "died" and trying to sneak them through another way, it stops being democracy. It becomes a battle of who has the most persistent and over-staffed legal team.

Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it

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Is there anywhere in the article that has a quote from the Obama administration that suggests the title of the article. All I get from reading it was that SOPA had a provision to make streaming a felony and that people fought against it. No where does it give any information about how its resurrection is being attempted.

Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it

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post #40
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that's what the courts want very badly , at least as of the '80s. Several rounds of the solidly Democratic legislature passing "this time we mean it!" laws and the courts judicially nullifying as much as they could. In one case I "watched" by reading the Boston Globe as it was tried, a man was sent to prison because he wasn't willing to leave his sleep daughter to the tender mercies of an home invader. Too ma…

In the 80s? It's 2013, man, get with the times and start ripping on Chicago. In this decade, I'd go to the anecdote from WI last year of the dude who, upon a high school party being broken up by the cops next door, shot a kid hiding from the cops on his porch and wasn't charged.

I'm referring to the '80s because that was when I was residing in Massachusetts, and that was what I could look forward to if I used lethal force in self-defense. Also an automatic 1st degree murder trial, "Let the jury sort it out" was the AG's idea of prosecutorial discretion.

As for the Wisconson case you're referring to, the facts not surprisingly paint a very different picture. Per this news item: http://fox6now.com/2012/05/05/photos-of-bo-morrison-crime-sc... and others, the porch was only technically one, it was fully enclosed and furnished like an interior room, had an appliance (fridge/freezer?) and other indoor style stuff, and critically, from looking at the outside, it appears to be fully a part of the house. I say critically because the outdoor pictures make it very clear this can be legitimately scored as a home invasion, whatever friends and family of the deceased propagandize.

And per this from the shooter's wife, "[she] told investigators she heard her husband say, “What are you doing in my house” twice, then “Stay where you are” twice, and later a single shot was fired."

So only "weak", no duty to retreat (in 46 states) Castle Doctrine comes into play. He was not shot out of the blue or from behind, there was a confrontation, so as long as the couple have proper account of the story and the authorities don't catch them lying the failure to prosecute looks like its solid. Just like the Zimmerman/Martin was before it become a political show trial.

ADDED: Not surprisingly for a state that was until that year solid Blue, Wisconsin as of 2010 didn't have a strong Castle Doctrine, the case law explicitly says "The doctrine is for defensive and not offensive purposes."

When you hear "unbelievable" stories like this, you should be suspicious, they're generally unbelievable because they're flatly not true, except in the sense of Revolutionary Truth, which as techies we shouldn't approve of (our computers do not care about politics, just that 1 + 1 = 010).

Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it

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Link-bait article is link-baity.

The US Trademark and Patent Office is expected to take a pro-copyright stance. The "Administration" reference, refers to Eric Holder's petition to Congress here: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/493524-AG_Holder_Ju...

>>> Asked by Rep. Mel Watt (D-N.C.) why Justice felt it needed that expanded power, Holder said that sometimes such streaming involves thousands and millions of dollars. He said that Justice wasn't looking to turn streaming from a misdemeanor to a crime, but that in some cases it needed that added power "consistent with the nature of the harm."

At most, the "Obama Administration" (specifically, Eric Holder) feels like some forms of streaming need to be punished more harshly. It seems like pirating a live performance is less punishable than pirating anything else.

Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it

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Exactly. It really can't get any more obvious than that. If we don't take money out of politics our country is going to go down for good.

You can blame the tech industry for this one. Criminalizing copyright infringement didn't get much traction until Microsoft, Oracle, etc, made a big deal about it in the context of large-scale piracy by the Chinese, etc.

The DMCA was 1998. Wasn't that around the same time that Microsoft was getting hammered by the DOJ?

My impression is that the general consensus has that being about the time that Microsoft learned its lesson about ignoring lobbying. Maybe Oracle had something to do with it, but it seems like Microsoft probably missed that particular ship.

Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. It really can't get any more obvious than that. If we don't take money out of politics our country is going to go down for good.

You can blame the tech industry for this one. Criminalizing copyright infringement didn't get much traction until Microsoft, Oracle, etc, made a big deal about it in the context of large-scale piracy by the Chinese, etc.

There were criminal penalties for willful, for-profit performances of dramatic and music works in 1897 US copyright law. The 1909 act expanded this to all types of willful, for-profit infringement. I'm reasonably sure neither Microsoft nor Oracle had anything to do with this.

Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 80s? It's 2013, man, get with the times and start ripping on Chicago. In this decade, I'd go to the anecdote from WI last year of the dude who, upon a high school party being broken up by the cops next door, shot a kid hiding from the cops on his porch and wasn't charged.

I think he was referencing the events of the 80s because there was such a backlash to it that it led directly to events like you describe. The middle ground is dead.

The backlash from the nation's "soft on crime" policies started much earlier, e.g. see Dirty Harry in 1971 and I gather Death Wish in 1974. Real world traction on reversing them, I think seriously started in the '80s.

But see my other reply in this sub-sub-thread: what middle ground is there between being forced by the law to retreat from your home and being allowed to use lethal force upon a reasonable apprehension of a sufficient threat? Do you really believe in allowing criminals to chase you out of your home, abandoning your loved ones who can't defend themselves?

It's ancient, ancient doctrine; per Wikipedia "The legal concept of the inviolability of the home has been known in Western Civilization since the age of the Roman Republic." When it comes to Western law you can't get older than the Twelve Tables in 450 BC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Tables), in which I assume this was codified.

Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he was referencing the events of the 80s because there was such a backlash to it that it led directly to events like you describe. The middle ground is dead.

The backlash from the nation's "soft on crime" policies started much earlier, e.g. see Dirty Harry in 1971 and I gather Death Wish in 1974. Real world traction on reversing them, I think seriously started in the '80s. But see my other reply in this sub-sub-thread: what middle ground is there between being forced by the law to retreat from your home and being allowed to use lethal force upon a reasonable apprehension…

No, I don't, but I was trying to clarify the statement. A middle ground for this is difficult, because it basically depends upon determining after the fact whether or not you or anyone else in the home was actually threatened (or whether you could reasonably perceive it that way).
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