The problem with vim • Hacker News Board

Re: The problem with vim

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Post by oftenwrong » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 1:00 PM UTC

terhechte wrote: post #5

Most of these vim emulators are open source, so there's always the chance to just fix it and do a pull request. The main two vim emulators that I am using are: - XVim for XCode - Evil for Emacs And both do a really good job. Evil beats XVim hands down, but XVim is a lot better than the others I tried: IdeaVim (for Intellij), Vrapper (Vim for Eclipse), and Vintage (Vim for Sublime). Out of these, vintage is by far the…

> "libVim"

I think it would be better for developers to allow their programs to launch external editors. That way users can pick whichever editor they like. All the developer has to do is create a temporary file, run a command to open it, and watch for changes.

(Thanks to vimperator, I am using vim to write this.)

Re: The problem with vim

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Post by bdunbar » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 1:30 PM UTC

nimrody wrote: post #31

At least with VIM the standard commands are good enough to make one productive on any VIM installation. With emacs, you have to do so much customization before it becomes useful that you find yourself completely lost when using another installation. Try helping a friend only to find out all your commands do not work...

> you find yourself completely lost when using another installation.

That can also be true for the workstation.

Example: I remapped my caps-lock key to ctrl. Swapped the top row around so the numbers and and symbols are reversed. Stuff like that.

Not even getting into customizing desktops: I use Enlightenment, the other devops guy uses what looks like a bastardized Window Maker and we'll never be at home with each other's computer.

Re: The problem with vim

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Post by zanny » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 1:31 PM UTC

tsahyt wrote: post #10

I always put it the other way. The problem with other text editors is that they are not vim.

You can run Kate in vim mode. So what happens when other text editors become vim?

Re: The problem with vim

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Post by niuzeta » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 1:47 PM UTC

Personally, this is why I limit my usage with vim with the core vim(to me it means vim-as-out-of-package-or-gvim-package), my customimzed .vimrc, and highlighting plugin.

The original vim alone is more than enough to satisfy my needs, and it's compatible with virtually every machine that I'll be using after all.

I can venture on plugins for more convenience, but I already have an ample satisfaction and I would rather keep it that way.

I wrote this in vim, and copied here.

Re: The problem with vim

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Post by ludicast » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 2:06 PM UTC

Agree almost 100%. I do use vim mode for bash and it works great because lateral motion is most of what I'm doing there.

But Sublime's vintage mode actually was the breaking point for me, and made me go whole hog back to vim. Close enough to cause problems when it fails, like faux amis in a foreign language.

Re: The problem with vim

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Post by bambambazooka » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 2:15 PM UTC

terhechte wrote: post #5

Most of these vim emulators are open source, so there's always the chance to just fix it and do a pull request. The main two vim emulators that I am using are: - XVim for XCode - Evil for Emacs And both do a really good job. Evil beats XVim hands down, but XVim is a lot better than the others I tried: IdeaVim (for Intellij), Vrapper (Vim for Eclipse), and Vintage (Vim for Sublime). Out of these, vintage is by far the…

wow, thanks for Vrapper... this is great!

Re: The problem with vim

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Post by expr » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 2:16 PM UTC

The problem with his website is the lack of functionality (even text) with active scripting disabled. The scripts don't even animate anything! ;-)

Re: The problem with vim

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Post by snarfy » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 2:21 PM UTC

If you are using vim with C# I highly recommend OmniSharp - https://github.com/nosami/Omnisharp

It provides real intellisense, find usages, etc. It's based on NRefactory.

Re: The problem with vim

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Post by jaredmcateer » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 2:21 PM UTC

zanny wrote: post #43

tsahyt wrote: post #10

I always put it the other way. The problem with other text editors is that they are not vim.

You can run Kate in vim mode. So what happens when other text editors become vim?

"Vim mode" in applications is rarely complete. It's enough to get by if you're doing a simple one off thing but it's no way to live.

Re: The problem with vim

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Post by gexla » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 2:24 PM UTC

I have found Evil to be the best emulator that I have tried. But even then, I wonder, why try to emulate Vim? Why not just use Vim? And Vim is more than they keys. It's the whole ecosystem of plugins which come together to be the Vim way. There really is no replacement.