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What the Steve Jobs movie got right, and wrong

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Re: What the Steve Jobs movie got right, and wrong

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At least Jobs had taste. One of them gave us Apple, the other, Oracle. Not hard to pick a winner.

Oracle is what it is, but your initial assertion is a matter of taste.

Take it easy, but you can't negate the impact that Apple had in our field.

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Are we going to have a movie about Norman Borlaug, Dennis Richie or Douglas Engelbart as well? What made the movie industry pick Jobs as the topic? I honestly don't understand it.

A movie about Douglas Engelbart has my vote.

There is certainly a niche for this and the others, but they're probably best served by direct documentaries, like BBS or Get Lamp. They're entertaining and informative and every bit as watchable as a fictionalized biopic.

Although having Douglas Englebart arriving at the mother of all demos on the back of a triceratops would be worth paying to see.

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Are we going to have a movie about Norman Borlaug, Dennis Richie or Douglas Engelbart as well? What made the movie industry pick Jobs as the topic? I honestly don't understand it.

>I honestly don't understand it.

You don't need to understand it. The people who decide which movies to make need to understand it.

Re: What the Steve Jobs movie got right, and wrong

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I haven't seen it, but I hope they show in the end that it is just not important to be a successful entrepreneur, but a good human being as well, which Steve Jobs failed miserably at.

Sure about that? His family clearly loved him and miss him, and so do a lot of the colleagues that spent the most time with him, like Tim Cook and Jony Ive.

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Unless you can sell their stories in the time proven 127 minute, 2 peaks setup and market them to a major studio, I doubt it will get any traction. The only other option would be that the people who care about it fund it, but even though that pool might seem large inside of the tech microcosmos, it's comparitively small, and you'll have a low budget movie that has trouble being shown in theaters. Engelbart could actu…

Made a lot of sense, thanks for the writeup. Probably I am just silly for not understanding why our society doesn't cherish people who had so much more impact on our lives.

You can only cherish what you know. And knowing something takes effort, and even more effort the more obscure (as in hidden) the thing is. Now obscurity doesn't mean the thing is less important. A watches clockwork is obscured by it's face and it's hands, but without a clockwork, the watch would be useless.

But far more people will see the watch face than the clockwork (some watches expose it partially to show craftsmanship, but we hide it as well as we can). It's not that people wouldn't cherish the work of these men if they knew it ("Oh, Engelbart, he's the reason you see clickable pictures on your screen instead of a flashing cursor" "That's pretty cool, never heard of the guy before"), but they simply don't know them.

Really, if we want these men to be appreciated for their impact, it's us that have to go out and spread the word, because we're the only ones knowing that impact. If we're not ready for spreading that awareness (I don't think it's easy to do), then appreciation of the clockwork by watchmakers is what we'll have to be satisfied with.

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Its not because you have charisma that it necessarily means you use it in a positive way in the world. Drm, walled gardens, patent mentality, i can name a few reasons why Jobs should not be glorified.

Not every film protagonist is there as a positive role model. Especially not in every his aspect. It would be more than boring. Pragmatically, often are the "bad guys" even more attractive for the film that wants to have more viewers. The producers want to push the viewers' emotions. I'm claiming again: even Jobs' bad sides are very thankful for films! Hey, we're talking about the guy who drove without the license pl…

I think you misunderstand what I am saying. I don't care about JObs smoking weed or being on LSD, I care more about the total absence of criticism for his vision of Computing.

Re: What the Steve Jobs movie got right, and wrong

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Not every film protagonist is there as a positive role model. Especially not in every his aspect. It would be more than boring. Pragmatically, often are the "bad guys" even more attractive for the film that wants to have more viewers. The producers want to push the viewers' emotions. I'm claiming again: even Jobs' bad sides are very thankful for films! Hey, we're talking about the guy who drove without the license pl…

I think you misunderstand what I am saying. I don't care about JObs smoking weed or being on LSD, I care more about the total absence of criticism for his vision of Computing.

Let's just say: as long as he was alive, Apple wasn't in the Prism program. I don't know of many people in this business with such a clear vision.

Re: What the Steve Jobs movie got right, and wrong

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I saw an early screening of the movie. Here were my general thoughts:

1. Kutcher did a fantastic job as Steve Jobs. I was extremely pleasantly surprised by how well he portrayed the role and adopted Steve's mannerisms. You can even see his gait and speech evolve over the course of the movie.

2. My fundamental problem with the film was that it tried to cram so much into two hours that a lot of scenes felt fake and over-simplified to the point of being insulting. Extreme examples of this include the "I'm going to sue Bill Gates" scene and the Jony Ive scene.

3. The beginning is stupid and irrelevant. Also, Jobs's transition from idealistic hippy acid-dropper to steely-eyed businessman is portrayed in a manner of seconds and does not feel realistic whatsoever.

4. I still enjoyed the movie and would watch it again if it were on television. It certainly had emotionally moving scenes, and I wouldn't say it was a poor movie.

Re: What the Steve Jobs movie got right, and wrong

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I haven't seen it, but I hope they show in the end that it is just not important to be a successful entrepreneur, but a good human being as well, which Steve Jobs failed miserably at.

Sure about that? His family clearly loved him and miss him, and so do a lot of the colleagues that spent the most time with him, like Tim Cook and Jony Ive.

Have you read his biography by Walter Isaacson? I think there is no doubt in the tech community whatsoever that he was an ass with people, he cheated his own company people, and also his friend Mr. Wozniak. Also, Jony Ive 'considered him' as a friend, but quoting him : "He [Jobs] will go through a process of looking at my ideas and say, 'That's no good. That's not very good. I like that one,'" Ive told Isaacson. "And later I will be sitting in the audience and he will be talking about it as if it was his idea. I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from, and I even keep notebooks filled with my ideas. So it hurts when he takes credit for one of my designs."
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