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Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by GuiA » Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 9:38 PM UTC

norswap wrote: post #23

devcpp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird, the French part looks like the output of a translator. There are a few faults of vocabulary, grammar and sentence structure. Your translation is correct though.

French is my mother tongue, and I think it sounds alright. It's everyday speech though, not something you'd write in a press statement.

Fellow Frenchie here- it does look like it was written by a high schooler rather than a CEO- awkward phrasing ("dans le cas de la pedo", wtf?!?), conjugation mistake ("liées"), use of "on va" instead of "nous allons" in a formal written statement...

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by Sprint » Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 9:40 PM UTC

gesman wrote: post #33

But i think people can still operate Tor Hidden services from there

Running a hidden services requires running a relay (exit or no-exit), right? I was planning to provide a hidden service for a site of mine for fun mostly but would not want to risk losing my server for satisfying my hacker enthusiasm.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by im3w1l » Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 9:48 PM UTC

jeremysmyth wrote: post #38

Tor can be used for good and for bad. It's the very same problem that Cory Doctorow talks about in his lectures about the War on General Purpose Computing, and it's not an easy problem to solve. I'm an admin on a social/gaming site (a MUD with appendant forum, blogs, and other community elements), and we have had to make a few decisions about Tor in the last couple of years. Some background: the site is quite old, an…

I think the problem with Tor is that it makes it very easy to create multiple pseudonyms. Fwiw, the approach used to combat spam successfully on freenet based fora, is to artificially increase the effort. This can be done by not activiting an identity for x hours, or requiring that users solve n captchas on signup.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by mike-cardwell » Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 9:51 PM UTC

Sprint wrote: post #42

gesman wrote: post #33

But i think people can still operate Tor Hidden services from there

Running a hidden services requires running a relay (exit or no-exit), right? I was planning to provide a hidden service for a site of mine for fun mostly but would not want to risk losing my server for satisfying my hacker enthusiasm.

You don't need to be any sort of relay in order to host a hidden service. You can do it when just running as a client.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by mike-cardwell » Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 9:52 PM UTC

dylz wrote: post #22

mike-cardwell wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The list of Exit nodes is publicly accessible. All you have to do is check if any of your IPs are in that list.

The list of ALL nodes, including ENTRY and MIDDLE are also public.

Excluding bridge nodes

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by supergirl » Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 9:55 PM UTC

pyre wrote: post #39

jeremysmyth wrote: post #38

Tor can be used for good and for bad. It's the very same problem that Cory Doctorow talks about in his lectures about the War on General Purpose Computing, and it's not an easy problem to solve. I'm an admin on a social/gaming site (a MUD with appendant forum, blogs, and other community elements), and we have had to make a few decisions about Tor in the last couple of years. Some background: the site is quite old, an…

If you provide access to the website as a Tor hidden service, do you get some sort of unique ID for the computer connecting that can be banned? I don't know much about the Tor protocol, but if you're on the receiving end of packets that need a response, you need a way to address them back.

Doesn't matter if his website is a hidden service or not. The communication between the website and the user is done through Tor relays, which are shared. There cannot be any unique ID tied to the user because that would break anonymity.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by lechevalierd3on » Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 9:55 PM UTC

dewey wrote: post #15

lechevalierd3on wrote: post #12

OVH used to be one of the top host provider. Last year they removed the unmetered bandwidth and now TOR, VPN too ? (it's unclear to me). What's next ? no HTTPS, European traffic only ? seriously this sadden me, lucky for us Online.net is a good challenger.

They just removed their traffic limits a few days ago.

Do you have any proof of that ? Because I've been looking for info on that matter.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by mike-cardwell » Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 9:55 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #26

pestaa wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not downvote but instead invite you to elaborate. Why will Tor cause its own demise?

Operating as an exit node exposes you to a great deal of legal issues, if not liability. Not to mention annoyance for the user... there will be sites you can't access since many sites block exit node IPs outright because of abuse. If some random does something illegal and they happen to be using your node, guess who gets the knock on the door? With that in mind, what user would want to operate an exit node?

"With that in mind, what user would want to operate an exit node?"

All of the people who have already been running exit nodes for years? Those who don't mind getting that terrible knock on the door? Those who have already had that knock on their door, sometimes more than once, but who live in locations where they don't need to fear their local police?

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by lechevalierd3on » Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 9:57 PM UTC

PaperclipTaken wrote: post #28

lechevalierd3on wrote: post #12

OVH used to be one of the top host provider. Last year they removed the unmetered bandwidth and now TOR, VPN too ? (it's unclear to me). What's next ? no HTTPS, European traffic only ? seriously this sadden me, lucky for us Online.net is a good challenger.

OVH is still the cheapest host I've ever seen. 1 TB disk space, 100mbps connection speed, 5TB bandwidth, all for $20/mo? I'm not complaining, nor have I seen better.

Bandwidth is more important than space to me, so Online is still much better. And as soon as they will have matched OVH's new prices there are going to be THE best host.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by mst » Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 10:04 PM UTC

jeremysmyth wrote: post #38

Tor can be used for good and for bad. It's the very same problem that Cory Doctorow talks about in his lectures about the War on General Purpose Computing, and it's not an easy problem to solve. I'm an admin on a social/gaming site (a MUD with appendant forum, blogs, and other community elements), and we have had to make a few decisions about Tor in the last couple of years. Some background: the site is quite old, an…

Assuming you have the technical capability, requiring an email address and confirmation for only tor users could work.

Freenode does something similar - tor and other problematic traffic sources can connect but must use connect time SASL to authenticate to a previously created account, which is sufficient to exclude the vast majority of the griefers.