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How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Tenure-track-faculty Life

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Re: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Tenure-track-faculty Life

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The author of this article is a friend and former colleague (I had the office next door to hers at Harvard, when I was on the faculty there). Many of the reasons she cites for being "miserable" as a faculty member reflect why I left a tenured faculty job for industry. Nearly all junior faculty I know describe it as a survival process. Given this I fail to understand why being a professor remains such an attractive ca…

What's scary is that this represents a fairly luxurious set of pain-points relative to the ones I've seen junior faculty members in the biological sciences exposed to at Harvard. The conveniences and cultural differences of the CS community are a stark contrast to academic biology. Considering the author's observations: First, the opt-out options are often fewer and further between; making the jump between basic scie…

This parody video (Caught in a Bad Project) really drove home the difficulties of Biology to me as a CS PhD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl4L4M8m4d0

Talk about stress.

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Not to sound overly critical, but is it just me or does this come off as a somewhat selfish point of view? My father was a tenured professor and growing up I heard enough horror stories from his department to know that a career as a professor at a research university is no easy career. But at the same time, isn't a major part of your job instructing students? I understand the importance of grants, conducting research…

People optimize for the metrics they are set. To the degree teaching is rewarded, they will focus on teaching. I know a number of PhDs with aspirations of tenure. Not one has said they went into it to teach.

You may be looking for us in the wrong places.

I'm an MIT Physics PhD who aimed at teaching from early on. I agree that we're in the minority, but folks like us aren't typically looking for jobs at R1 universities but instead at small schools where teaching is actually valued. Unless you're part of that culture, we may not be the PhDs that you know.

I have a number of PhD friends like me, teaching at small liberal arts colleges and community colleges. It's a career path that doesn't typically have the sexy budgets and bright city lights, but IMHO can still lead to an academically rigorous and balanced life.

Re: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Tenure-track-faculty Life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that no promotion = no job. So if you care about teaching, you need to get tenure.

What about all the non-tenured professors who teach? Are you honestly accusing those who are not chasing tenure of not caring about teaching?

In the U.S. at least, you don't usually have a choice to opt-out of chasing tenure if you want to continue teaching. Barring some unusual situations, there are either non-tenure-track fixed-length jobs, like a two-year visiting professorship; or tenure-track jobs where you have six to seven years to get tenure in order to stay. Non-tenure-track but permanent positions are quite rare, and in a tenure-track position you can't choose to simply remain at the untenured Assistant level indefinitely—you'll be fired after six or seven years if you don't successfully go up for tenure. It's a classic "up or out" style job in that sense.

Once you get tenure, then the advancement ladder does become somewhat optional; an Associate Professor can stay at that level for the rest of their career, with no requirement that they ever seek promotion to full Professor. Some universities are starting to put pressure in various ways on insufficiently productive tenured faculty, but there is at least more insulation from the advancement ladder at that point. But before then it's non-optional if you want to stay.

Re: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Tenure-track-faculty Life

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The author of this article is a friend and former colleague (I had the office next door to hers at Harvard, when I was on the faculty there). Many of the reasons she cites for being "miserable" as a faculty member reflect why I left a tenured faculty job for industry. Nearly all junior faculty I know describe it as a survival process. Given this I fail to understand why being a professor remains such an attractive ca…

Given this I fail to understand why being a professor remains such an attractive career path.

I wouldn't say that many people see it as attractive relative to high-degree-of-freedom research positions in industry, but there just aren't that many such positions in industry. And, you often have to build up a reputation in academia first (as you did) before you can jump to an industry position that is senior enough to give you research & publication freedom. Even then there are only a handful of options; MSR and parts of Google are two of them in CS, and the numbers dwindle considerably if you look outside of CS. If MSR hired many more people straight out of grad school, and in a broader range of fields, I'm sure many grad students would consider that option rather than pursuing a tenure-track faculty position. Back in the Bell Labs days, it was a popular top choice out of grad school, with faculty job being a second choice.

If you relax the requirement that the job has to let you regularly talk about and publish the results of your research, there are more industry positions available, like R&D positions at petrochemical and aerospace firms. They have large R&D arms, but the average employee in them will publish little to none, except whatever ends up being published via patent filings. That can be a good choice (I have some acquaintances who work in R&D at BP and like their job), but a research career where you can't publish is a quite different choice of career.

As a more minor working-conditions point, I personally like the flexibility. I typically spend 3 days a week in my office and 2 days working off-campus, which most companies won't let you do. And if I want to take a 3-day weekend trip somewhere, I can just do it, as long as it doesn't interfere with a day on which I have classes; no need to ask for permission in advance or worry about how many vacation days I have.

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Relatedly: Philip Greenspun, on why it's difficult to convince women and other sane people to enter an academic career in the sciences. http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science

Larry Summers really didn't play his cards right. If he had just used this reasoning and concluded that it was because men are stupid, he at least wouldn't have been fired.

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post #33

Relatedly: Philip Greenspun, on why it's difficult to convince women and other sane people to enter an academic career in the sciences. http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science

Larry Summers really didn't play his cards right. If he had just used this reasoning and concluded that it was because men are stupid, he at least wouldn't have been fired.

Larry Summers was forcing faculty members to show up for work. Worse than that, he was forcing some of them to change offices and move to the other side of the river!

They would have gotten him somehow, it's only a question of how.

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First off, it's inspiring and courageous to write candidly about such a topic. Including the epiphany: That what I can do, is try to be the best whole person that I can be. That mindset would be helpful outside academia too.

But the more I read through stories like this the more I become convinced it's important to fool yourself: to convince yourself there's no pressure. As if the act itself unblocks some kind of neural pathways that allow you to do things you wouldn't have let yourself do otherwise.

The author might be a lot more courageous that they think, even if they hadn't realized it at the time: "But its not because I have extra courage. Rather, by demoting the prize, the risk becomes less."

Anecdotally, a professor once told me (when they look back on their tenure track) that it now seems irresponsible to them that they were devoting such little time to revising journal papers or writing such few grand proposals. (I got the feeling they were doing things that don't scale). Another said they were sure upfront they'd fire them at the end, so they tried to enjoy they ride while it lasted. Both of them got tenure.

Another thing this story shows is how logistics become manageable if you try. Like the approach to give the other person a weekend day off as counter-balance to you going on an extra trip is probably what prevents you from going astray. It's the right sort of tension. You pay twice for a workday like that (one for the trip, one for parent duty), so you now have a concrete measure to make that decision rather the vagueness of "it will help my career".

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for my first laugh out loud moment for today. Out of the 20-30 or so lecturers I can remember from my degree in computer science, there was only maybe two I can think of that had any interest at all in actually communicating ideas and teaching students. The vast majority of the lecturers were objviously focused on their research and even student questions about assignments / exams / any issue at all were direc…

Harvard is somewhat peculiar in the way it selects and impresses upon faculty the importance of teaching. That's not to say that all Harvard professors are great teachers, but there's certainly an emphasis on it that is less common.

6 years ago there was an initiative at Harvard to focus on teaching and not just research, but I don't know what came of it: http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2007/02/task-force-pro... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/10/education/10harvard.html?_...

But yes, the general state of things at virtually all universities (except community colleges) is that teaching is very much secondary to research, and as a result, as the book Academically Adrift summarizes, is that a big proportion of students learn very little in college: "45 percent of students 'did not demonstrate any significant improvement in learning' during the first two years of college. 36 percent of students 'did not demonstrate any significant improvement in learning' over four years of college." http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/01/18/study_finds_la...

An example of a university that does pay a lot of attention to teaching is Valencia College (community college). They have required professional development classes both for and by the faculty: http://valenciacollege.edu/faculty/development/ and they won an award for their efforts: http://chronicle.com/article/Valencia-College-Wins-First/130...

I went digging for any example of a course that made a dent in student retention, and I found two courses, one on learning & motivation strateges, and another on math for engineers: http://edtechdev.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/two-courses-that-m... And coincidentally both required hundreds of thousands of dollars in grant money to develop - the latter one 5 million dollars in NSF funds.

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Larry Summers really didn't play his cards right. If he had just used this reasoning and concluded that it was because men are stupid, he at least wouldn't have been fired.

Larry Summers was forcing faculty members to show up for work . Worse than that, he was forcing some of them to change offices and move to the other side of the river! They would have gotten him somehow, it's only a question of how.

Hey, if we have to show up we'll never get anything done!

Re: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Tenure-track-faculty Life

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhh -- the article is mostly about not jumping through hoops to get tenure, and instead considering postdoc a 7-year job and an end to itself.

I'm not suggesting that there isn't merit to what she says, I'm just saying that it came off to me as an article explaining "how I learned to bide my time in this place for 7 years and eschew the typical advice aimed for those who are content to struggle towards tenure." I've spent a lot of time in academia myself. I was a TA in computer science and have taught undergrads so I was exposed to the political battles and…

I think you're totally misinterpreting this. I know a lot of folks who have spent every hour of every day for oh about four years thinking "Tenure! Tenure! Tenure! Tenure!" I say four years because around that point there's a breakdown in the chair's office or in class or during some long night, and then there's therapy, and bitterness, and wailing and gnashing of teeth.

If you focus on the moment instead of "the future" you can respond to a student in the now, rather than reminding yourself that undergraduate research is essentially irrelevant to your tenure case so you should say no to this project. You can take a risk in your teaching and teach something you really care about instead of taking Prof Oldguy's advice to just teach the intro class from the same lecture notes as last year. You might take on that interesting, new, and risky interdisciplinary project with the guy from microbiology instead of reminding yourself that interdisciplinary projects are generally not reviewed well as people from neither discipline feel they have the expertise to look at them. Specialized projects are much safer.

You think that struggling for tenure makes people better teachers and better people; I think it makes people miserable. Yeah. Now you're that freshman CS student with a bitter overworked prof either trying not to cry or taking out latent hostility on students who is in it for tenure, instead of a happy, adventurous, intellectually interested prof. Big win!

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