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iPhone 6: An edgy concept

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Re: iPhone 6: An edgy concept

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Post by starky »

chrisrhoden wrote: post #29
rayiner wrote: post #27

I don't understand the point of these mockups unless they have an actual prototype. It's easy to hand-wave about how great a product will be that can't be built. The borderless glass is probably a non-starter because of chipping. And why would you make an aluminum/carbon fiber composite? Aluminum and carbon fiber both serve the same purpose in a composite structure. You'd use something like a metal-matrix aluminum co…

It's really difficult for me to look at something like this as someone with even the barest of comprehensions as to how complicated some of this would be to even do, much less well enough that it would make sense to put in a consumer product this year. Oh, you're going to make the screen out of graphene? My mockups are exactly the same as yours, but instead of aluminum my case is made of diamond. I've solved the chip…

I shake my head every time I see these because as someone that works as a product designer I know what isn't even feasible to do. These artists create work that has no basis in the real world, and add positively ignorant statements about the construction and capabilities of these devices.

I see comments like, "Carbon fiber alone is perfectly rigid and doesn't bend." and can only shake my head about how stupid this statement is. This particular mockup is one of the worst I have ever seen for being unrealistic. Feel free to create industrial design concepts, but at the very least don't comment on features that are unrealistic.

Re: iPhone 6: An edgy concept

#42

Post by wmf »

DigitalJack wrote: post #31
chrisrhoden wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really difficult for me to look at something like this as someone with even the barest of comprehensions as to how complicated some of this would be to even do, much less well enough that it would make sense to put in a consumer product this year. Oh, you're going to make the screen out of graphene? My mockups are exactly the same as yours, but instead of aluminum my case is made of diamond. I've solved the chip…

The point of imagination is that it is not limited by constraints. How can you envision the future if you are limited by the constraints of today? Steve Jobs is quoted in the 80's as saying that they aspire to make a computer that is essentially today's macbook or ipad.[1] It most certainly was impossible at the time. I sure like mine though. You know what you get when you limit yourself to the constraints of right n…

If you're not limited by constraints, why design an iPhone? Why not design a superhuman AI that communicates with the user's brain via phased-array MRI? I would say that these kinds of concepts tend to use an undocumented and improbable set of constraints. The problem with improbable but possible futures is that there are so many of them that choosing a specific one has no predictive value.

Re: iPhone 6: An edgy concept

#43

Post by jotm »

starky wrote: post #41
chrisrhoden wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really difficult for me to look at something like this as someone with even the barest of comprehensions as to how complicated some of this would be to even do, much less well enough that it would make sense to put in a consumer product this year. Oh, you're going to make the screen out of graphene? My mockups are exactly the same as yours, but instead of aluminum my case is made of diamond. I've solved the chip…

I shake my head every time I see these because as someone that works as a product designer I know what isn't even feasible to do. These artists create work that has no basis in the real world, and add positively ignorant statements about the construction and capabilities of these devices. I see comments like, "Carbon fiber alone is perfectly rigid and doesn't bend." and can only shake my head about how stupid this st…

I pity the engineers every time the designers come and say "build me THIS (or you're fired, lol)"...

Re: iPhone 6: An edgy concept

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Post by jotm »

jrockway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of wrapping the display around the side of the phone and having touch sensors to detect when you're holding your phone. I have this problem where I'm holding the phone with one hand and trying to press something with my thumb. It doesn't register as a touch because part of my hand is contacting the front of the screen, causing my action to be interpreted as some sort of two-finger gesture. With accura…

Seriously, why do you need 1920x1080? 1280x720 on a 5 inch display is great, even 960x540 on a 4.7 inch display (Optimus L9) still looks great, I just don't see the point unless you want to deplete your battery as fast as possible...

Re: iPhone 6: An edgy concept

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Post by Bud »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #13

That Magsafe Lightning concept would never work. Not only is there not enough space to fit powerful enough magnets, not only is the Lightning connector 8-pin, but one of the only reasons MagSafe even works is that laptops are strong enough to still be in the same place if tugged slightly. Your phone will now not only be tugged along with the cord, but will then disconnect more easily and fly across the room.

This objection doesn't make any sense. The status quo is that if you tug on a Lightning cable, your phone will be tugged along with it, and will likely fall off the surface it is on. If you make it a MagSafe connector with appropriately weak holding force, and do the same thing, your phone will be tugged less hard, and will thus have less of a chance to fall off the surface it is on. It can't help but be an improvement, even if it's not a perfect solution.

The objection that actually does make sense is to point out that Lightning is a) reversible and b) has 8 separate data contacts on each side. It's not just a power connector. Can't really duplicate this with MagSafe or anything similar.

Re: iPhone 6: An edgy concept

#46

Post by jblock »

aroman wrote: post #25
mynameisvlad wrote: post #13

That Magsafe Lightning concept would never work. Not only is there not enough space to fit powerful enough magnets, not only is the Lightning connector 8-pin, but one of the only reasons MagSafe even works is that laptops are strong enough to still be in the same place if tugged slightly. Your phone will now not only be tugged along with the cord, but will then disconnect more easily and fly across the room.

I disagree. Just build a strong magnet in there (as was suggested, maybe via the speaker). The advantage of the connector would not be the disconnect-on-trip feature, but rather convenience for plugging and unplugging. Namely, it's a lot easier to just have the cord snap it place magnetically than to futz around with the small metal tip[0]. You're assuming it'd either be too weak or too strong. They would calibrate i…

Regardless, I still don't want a big magnet in my pocket

Re: iPhone 6: An edgy concept

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Post by jotm »

b1daly wrote: post #35

Here's an idea. Make a phone with a case that is strong enough to withstand the drops that inevitably happen! Putting so much effort into cool looking things that have to be covered by dorky cases is an illustration of the irrational at the heart of tech fetishes.

Yes! That's exactly why I would love a slightly more rugged Galaxy S4 Active - what's the point of an edge-to-edge display if you're going to crack it on the first drop (which happens even if you're super careful and have ninja reflexes)...

Re: iPhone 6: An edgy concept

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Post by jblock »

aroman wrote: post #25
mynameisvlad wrote: post #13

That Magsafe Lightning concept would never work. Not only is there not enough space to fit powerful enough magnets, not only is the Lightning connector 8-pin, but one of the only reasons MagSafe even works is that laptops are strong enough to still be in the same place if tugged slightly. Your phone will now not only be tugged along with the cord, but will then disconnect more easily and fly across the room.

I disagree. Just build a strong magnet in there (as was suggested, maybe via the speaker). The advantage of the connector would not be the disconnect-on-trip feature, but rather convenience for plugging and unplugging. Namely, it's a lot easier to just have the cord snap it place magnetically than to futz around with the small metal tip[0]. You're assuming it'd either be too weak or too strong. They would calibrate i…

Regardless, I still don't want a big magnet in my pocket

Re: iPhone 6: An edgy concept

#49

Post by Bud »

jamesmccann wrote: post #37

96GB drive? Seems fishy to me.

It seems fishy to you to do a 50% storage improvement, when we just saw a 100% storage improvement to 128GB on the iPad?

Not fishy at all. Quite plausible. If anything, it's reasonably likely that there will be MORE of an improvement than the concept predicts, in this case.

Re: iPhone 6: An edgy concept

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Post by jotm »

aegiso wrote: post #10
cldr wrote: post #5

> The only way to create a true edge-to-edge display is to remove the edge all together. And moisture is the essence of wetness.

But wetness is the essence of beauty. Quotes aside, I've imagined this kind of edgeless design to be where things are headed, and it certainly looks beautiful.

It's more likely that the next iPhone or Galaxy S will have the home button removed (finally), the speaker squeezed as far to the top edge as possible and the screen will fit all that new empty space, with 1-2mm borders.

That's doable in the next 1-2 years, this design isn't.

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