Is there any plan of having a non-backward compatible linux kernel one day, or just to start deprecating features ?
Verbal abuse on LKML
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Re: Verbal abuse on LKML
#42Does she read Hacker News?! Why on Earth would she like LKML to be some kind of politically correct cesspool like this forum?
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#43We should be allowed to insult each other. In general. But here is the thing - if should be non discriminatory. The bullshit and idiocy should be called on spot without taking into consideration the race, gender,age, color and attitude towards my little pony of the offender. So as long as Linus treats everyone as a inferior retard until proven otherwise it is ok with me. I think racism and sexism (and lots of other i…
Here's a thought, misanthropy is always projected self-hate, delusions of grandeur are just inferiority complexes, and Linus could use a shrink. Who doesn't, right? So I'm not judging. But if you're for calling a spade a spade, let's call a spade a spade.
Re: Verbal abuse on LKML
#44The only reason I can see that being abuse is swearing. Swearing shouldn't be seen as offensive. It's just a good way of expressing certain points.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a false dichotomy. I do a lot of code review, both in my day job and for many open source projects. I've never had to verbally abuse someone to explain the changes I wanted to see in a patch. (OSS projects I've done code review on include: Django, PyPy, Topaz, CPython, Twisted, and OpenStack)
Absolutely. There is a place for "I would prefer that XYZ". It often means "you have a convention slightly different than mine, I'd rather you change your code to fit my style but that's not a big issue". However, you can be very explicit by saying "It's a bad idea to do XYZ and here is why, this is what I suggest instead". Bonus point if your code review system can flag a comment as "Defect" to make it more explicit…
I think Rusty's right: you can be unequivocally harsh with the code, but not swear at or call people morons.
Re: Verbal abuse on LKML
#46She could've presented her critique without turning it into a gender issue: >I won't be the nice girl anymore.
While verbal abuse is not acceptable, neither is the male-shaming language she is using there.
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#47I like Rusty Russell's point of view: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1525480 " You have to be harsh with code: People mistake politeness for uncertainty. Whenever I said 'I prefer if you XYZ' some proportion didn't realize I meant 'Don't argue unless you have new facts: do XYZ or go away.' This wastes my time, so I started being explicit. But be gentle with people. You've already called their baby ugly."
This is a false dichotomy. I do a lot of code review, both in my day job and for many open source projects. I've never had to verbally abuse someone to explain the changes I wanted to see in a patch. (OSS projects I've done code review on include: Django, PyPy, Topaz, CPython, Twisted, and OpenStack)
:P
Re: Verbal abuse on LKML
#48She could've presented her critique without turning it into a gender issue: >I won't be the nice girl anymore.
I won't be the nice guy anymore.Re: Verbal abuse on LKML
#49this issue comes up every couple of years - these guys write linux, you can't make them do anything. they are untouchable and will do/say whatever the hell they want. linus especially - is a grown ass man and does this in person too, as is his prerogative. anyone see his github speech? he stands up in front of 300 people and calls them all idiots.
Do you have a link to this speech?
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4Xp...
Re: Verbal abuse on LKML
#50She could've presented her critique without turning it into a gender issue: >I won't be the nice girl anymore.