19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil • Hacker News Board

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by jeltz » Mon, Jul 15, 2013, 8:09 PM UTC

diego_moita wrote: post #35

a1a wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no knowledge what so ever about voter fraud in Brazil, but I am pretty certain it cannot be worse than using voting machines (See: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/voting/SealsOnVotingMachi... ). I think there is many things in this world that "needs a chip", voting is however not one of them.

This is the 3rd world, things work different in here, this is a 180 million people country with mandatory vote. Before voting machines elections would take almost a month to have their results computed. During all this time the ballots were subject to be stolen, inflated or replaced. This was very common in Brazil up until the late 80's. Stories like this are much more uncommon today.

If you allow people a month to count the votes anything could happen to them. In Sweden we count them in a couple of hours to get a preliminary result and then count them again the next day to get a final result. The Swedish votes do not pass through many hands before being counted and always during the counting there are plenty of eyes watching them.

The exception in Sweden is pre-election day votes which quite easily could quite easily be tampered with if we were more corrupt.

The only reason I can see why counting the votes could take a month is to make it easier to rig the election. There is no technical reason for it.

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by speeder » Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 12:06 AM UTC

dserodio wrote: post #38

speeder wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is newer.cases, like a guy that took his family.to vote.for him, and claims he voted.on himself.and still.ended with zero.votes. He sued.TSE but the reply was that he probably typed wrong and confirmed.a.wrong person. Since there is no per vote paper ballot, it.is.his.word.against the judge word, so guess who win.

What's up with the period instead of a space to separate words?

Issues when I type stuff using a phone...

I mistype dots a lot (it is right next to space) and HN layout on mobile combined with how my phone keyboard works make impossible to see what I am typing (so any typos also go through)

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by flomincucci » Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 2:26 AM UTC

cturner wrote: post #10

Hey - I had an idea for how electronic voting could work. Voters would enter their vote into a computer. The computer would print out a card for you, and show it to you from behind a perspex card. You would then say "OK" to verify that it was correct and it would drop into a box. Now there'd be a physical copy of the cards. These could be counted and checked by scrutineers as the current electoral process works. They…

I actually work in a company that has a similar voting system. We print out a card, and we also burn the content of the vote in a rfid chip, that voters can check themselves. The rfid speeds up the counting, but you can always do the manual count to check up with the system. Neither the machine nor the card contain any information that can identify the person, so we can preserve the anonimity. Perhaps you can check out our site :) http://www.vot-ar.com.ar/en/system-votation/

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by leot » Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 2:44 AM UTC

cturner wrote: post #10

Hey - I had an idea for how electronic voting could work. Voters would enter their vote into a computer. The computer would print out a card for you, and show it to you from behind a perspex card. You would then say "OK" to verify that it was correct and it would drop into a box. Now there'd be a physical copy of the cards. These could be counted and checked by scrutineers as the current electoral process works. They…

http://www.scantegrity.org/

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by swah » Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 12:15 PM UTC

chewit wrote: post #15

swah wrote: post #2

Interesting how the "TRE" (entity responsible for the voting process) keeps stating the system is safe.

Well what else would you expect them to be saying?

"We're embarassed and propose the next one is open source"?

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by sanoli » Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 2:06 PM UTC

ramon wrote: post #21

sanoli wrote: post #17

There used to be a separate printer attached to the voting machines, which would print each individual vote, in the presence of the voter, and would automatically go into a ballot, and it would be used in case there was an allegation of fraud. They of course did the dumb thing and did away with the printer, now they only have printouts of the total votes after the session is done and the machines are about to leave t…

This is because vote buyers would ask for the receipt after the vote is concluded, to prevent this they do a unified printing.

You didn't get to keep your receipt. You didn't even put your hands on it. It was merely shown to you, as it was leaving the printer, and would go on to a sealed ballot.